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**bWn4h8QD** · 08-24-2011, 01:05 AM

Can you quote the sutta please?

I guess I'm going to have to punt this one. I started looking through my copies of the Canon, but it was a needle-in-a-haystack. The closest thing I could find online is the "Scholars and Meditators" thing I posted above.

As far as I know, vipassana is done on a mind already established in samadhi. The Buddha explained wisdom to be achieved in three steps. Sila (morality), samadhi (mental stillness), and then wisdom.

It can be possible to get a general idea of anatta through intellectual reasoning but this is like professing the taste of an apple without really tasting one. To actually know, you need to experience through jhana (according to suttas). The question may be on how that samadhi and those jhanas are brought about. Reading or listening to the teachings can put one in a meditative state. It happens to me regularly. Focus, reflection, absorption, even rapture, sometimes. I don't think all progress is made only when one is sitting cross-legged. I'm not convinced that that's the only way to sila, samadhi and panna.

08-24-2011, 01:05 AM	#8
bWn4h8QD Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Can you quote the sutta please? I guess I'm going to have to punt this one. I started looking through my copies of the Canon, but it was a needle-in-a-haystack. The closest thing I could find online is the "Scholars and Meditators" thing I posted above. As far as I know, vipassana is done on a mind already established in samadhi. The Buddha explained wisdom to be achieved in three steps. Sila (morality), samadhi (mental stillness), and then wisdom. It can be possible to get a general idea of anatta through intellectual reasoning but this is like professing the taste of an apple without really tasting one. To actually know, you need to experience through jhana (according to suttas). The question may be on how that samadhi and those jhanas are brought about. Reading or listening to the teachings can put one in a meditative state. It happens to me regularly. Focus, reflection, absorption, even rapture, sometimes. I don't think all progress is made only when one is sitting cross-legged. I'm not convinced that that's the only way to sila, samadhi and panna.
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