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**Oriesssedleli419** · 08-29-2011, 01:41 AM

I don't see how reasoning/thinking is superfluous to the process.

"Discerned" does NOT mean thoughts. It means perceiving. The kind of reasoning/thinking you describe is already abandoned and not possible specially in higher jhanas. As the meditator reaches higher jhanas, recognition or "reasoned processing" in your words happen in the immediate neighborhood, that is upon abandoning the direct experience of the jhana.

"Furthermore, with the complete transcending of the dimension of nothingness, Sariputta entered & remained in the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception. He emerged mindfully from that attainment. On emerging mindfully from that attainment, he regarded the past qualities that had ceased & changed: 'So this is how these qualities, not having been, come into play. Having been, they vanish.' He remained unattracted & unrepelled with regard to those qualities, independent, detached, released, dissociated, with an awareness rid of barriers. He discerned that 'There is a further escape,' .... Bottom line is, it just doesn't strike because you are sitting under a tree thinking about it as you seem to suggest or suggested earlier...

08-29-2011, 01:41 AM	#29
Oriesssedleli419 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 484 Senior Member	I don't see how reasoning/thinking is superfluous to the process. "Discerned" does NOT mean thoughts. It means perceiving. The kind of reasoning/thinking you describe is already abandoned and not possible specially in higher jhanas. As the meditator reaches higher jhanas, recognition or "reasoned processing" in your words happen in the immediate neighborhood, that is upon abandoning the direct experience of the jhana. "Furthermore, with the complete transcending of the dimension of nothingness, Sariputta entered & remained in the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception. He emerged mindfully from that attainment. On emerging mindfully from that attainment, he regarded the past qualities that had ceased & changed: 'So this is how these qualities, not having been, come into play. Having been, they vanish.' He remained unattracted & unrepelled with regard to those qualities, independent, detached, released, dissociated, with an awareness rid of barriers. He discerned that 'There is a further escape,' .... Bottom line is, it just doesn't strike because you are sitting under a tree thinking about it as you seem to suggest or suggested earlier...
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