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**budumol** · 07-06-2011, 01:09 PM

Aloka-D, am wondering about this:
" The four bodies or four kayas of the Buddha are:

1. the dharmakaya or ultimate truth body, corresponding to the mind aspect of the Buddha.

2. the sambhokaya or complete enjoyment body, corresponding to the speech and prana aspect of the Buddha.

3. the nirmanakaya, the emanation body, corresponding to the physical human body of the Buddha.

4. the svabhavikakaya, the essential or nature body, representing the inseperability of the first three bodies."

I have always understood the four bodies to be: the two Dharmakayas (svabhavakaya [or svabhavikakaya] and jnanadharmakaya, the purified mind) and the two rupakayas (form bodies) being sambhogakaya and nirmanakaya. In addition normally (again, from a madhyamaka perspective) the svabhavakaya is simply the empty/void/shunya nature of the Buddha's mind, which emptiness is of course no different from when it was not Buddha mind, hence "svabhava" or 'it's nature' (rough translation) Was curious to see your division of Dharmakaya being separate from svabhavakaya, and the svabhavakaya being the inseparabilyt of the three bodies. Or does that simply refer to the fact that all three bodies are empty in nature?

07-06-2011, 01:09 PM	#39
budumol Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 299 Senior Member	Aloka-D, am wondering about this: " The four bodies or four kayas of the Buddha are: 1. the dharmakaya or ultimate truth body, corresponding to the mind aspect of the Buddha. 2. the sambhokaya or complete enjoyment body, corresponding to the speech and prana aspect of the Buddha. 3. the nirmanakaya, the emanation body, corresponding to the physical human body of the Buddha. 4. the svabhavikakaya, the essential or nature body, representing the inseperability of the first three bodies." I have always understood the four bodies to be: the two Dharmakayas (svabhavakaya [or svabhavikakaya] and jnanadharmakaya, the purified mind) and the two rupakayas (form bodies) being sambhogakaya and nirmanakaya. In addition normally (again, from a madhyamaka perspective) the svabhavakaya is simply the empty/void/shunya nature of the Buddha's mind, which emptiness is of course no different from when it was not Buddha mind, hence "svabhava" or 'it's nature' (rough translation) Was curious to see your division of Dharmakaya being separate from svabhavakaya, and the svabhavakaya being the inseparabilyt of the three bodies. Or does that simply refer to the fact that all three bodies are empty in nature?
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