whoops...I got some explaining to do. This was in no way a reference to e-sangha. Both individuals have been active at Zen Forum International from time to time, where I have been active for a few years. They are both scholarly types who would be helpful in answering srivijava's question. But, I guess that was a bit of faux pas. Sorry about that. Keith
they were posters at the E-sangha forum (which no longer exists)