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**Grieryaliny** · 12-16-2010, 01:58 AM

Quote from: Kaarine Alejandra on Today at 04:40:53 PM
There is no need to be worried about enlightenment or about who or who is not enlightened. Understanding, the practice of it and the discern of the result or outcome is.

Not sure what you are trying to say here or how it is relevant to what I said

OK, I was just elaborating from what you wrote here:

Just because some Buddhists don't become enlightened does not mean Buddha was wrong.

and here:

even Buddhist practice depends on how you practice.

adding some ideas in agreement with those expoused by you.

Quote from: Kaarine Alejandra on Today at 04:40:53 PM
Any kind of imposed system, ideal, philosophy or religion is destined to fail; and it fails because it was imposed by others how thought that the way they understand reality was the correct and only one.

Once again, your answer is not clear. To begin with, can you please elaborate what you mean by "fail"?

Here I was just commenting for what you wrote here:

Just because a country failed to instill some economic theory right does not mean it is useless.

From this idea I infer about the failure of socialism in some country, maybe of Eastern Europe so my comment was that between other conditions, the imposition of an economic system can lead sooner or later to its failure.

Just 2 cents,

I worked many years in a village that lived through fishing. The fishery was not a private property; it was held by the whole community. It worked pretty well. Some kilometers away there was another fishery but held in a private way by its owner. It worked pretty well too. The success was that in both cases the economic system was not imposed and the agreement to work in each of them was completely as is the way the Mayan people decides the use of their resources. Until everybody agrees no decision can be taken. But this results are just observed at a village scale and with that level of participation. An assembly can take several weeks of discussions until the total agreement is reached. There seems to be that behind this successfull examples there's an ancient culture of participation.

12-16-2010, 01:58 AM	#19
Grieryaliny Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	Quote from: Kaarine Alejandra on Today at 04:40:53 PM There is no need to be worried about enlightenment or about who or who is not enlightened. Understanding, the practice of it and the discern of the result or outcome is. Not sure what you are trying to say here or how it is relevant to what I said OK, I was just elaborating from what you wrote here: Just because some Buddhists don't become enlightened does not mean Buddha was wrong. and here: even Buddhist practice depends on how you practice. adding some ideas in agreement with those expoused by you. Quote from: Kaarine Alejandra on Today at 04:40:53 PM Any kind of imposed system, ideal, philosophy or religion is destined to fail; and it fails because it was imposed by others how thought that the way they understand reality was the correct and only one. Once again, your answer is not clear. To begin with, can you please elaborate what you mean by "fail"? Here I was just commenting for what you wrote here: Just because a country failed to instill some economic theory right does not mean it is useless. From this idea I infer about the failure of socialism in some country, maybe of Eastern Europe so my comment was that between other conditions, the imposition of an economic system can lead sooner or later to its failure. Just 2 cents, I worked many years in a village that lived through fishing. The fishery was not a private property; it was held by the whole community. It worked pretty well. Some kilometers away there was another fishery but held in a private way by its owner. It worked pretty well too. The success was that in both cases the economic system was not imposed and the agreement to work in each of them was completely as is the way the Mayan people decides the use of their resources. Until everybody agrees no decision can be taken. But this results are just observed at a village scale and with that level of participation. An assembly can take several weeks of discussions until the total agreement is reached. There seems to be that behind this successfull examples there's an ancient culture of participation.
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