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**BiseCreesia** · 01-26-2011, 10:28 PM

So the real question here is what do we mean by "mysticism"?

Well, for the case of this thread I think that mysticism refers to what plogsties has quoted:

descends fully concious from the Tusita heaven into his mother's womb; his conception and birth are accompanied by wonders; deities worship the newborn infant; and as soon as he is born he walks seven steps and announces his future destiny"

and religious thought is full of this stories where many people really believe in them as a fact and not as a way to understand things. In this way there are "hidden" meanings, occultism, powerfull gurus who know everything and keep their secret doctrine to a few, etc. I really enjoy and feel better when we avoid this kind of tales and we get directly to the issue. I think this is more about temper than to really give such importance to tales like this one.

Religion is full of them. For me is delusion, imagination and romanticism and keeps us into a "mystical haze" that personally I feel uncomfortable. If the quote is about the person of the Buddha I do not need a tale or a fantastic superhero story. Tell me about the person of the Buddha. Some people do not need tales or occultism so to expand consciousness, so to find meaning because for some, meanings, are given and not needed to be found. But again... it is about temper, education, childhood experiences etc., that shape this kind of features.

01-26-2011, 10:28 PM	#5
BiseCreesia Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 467 Senior Member	So the real question here is what do we mean by "mysticism"? Well, for the case of this thread I think that mysticism refers to what plogsties has quoted: descends fully concious from the Tusita heaven into his mother's womb; his conception and birth are accompanied by wonders; deities worship the newborn infant; and as soon as he is born he walks seven steps and announces his future destiny" and religious thought is full of this stories where many people really believe in them as a fact and not as a way to understand things. In this way there are "hidden" meanings, occultism, powerfull gurus who know everything and keep their secret doctrine to a few, etc. I really enjoy and feel better when we avoid this kind of tales and we get directly to the issue. I think this is more about temper than to really give such importance to tales like this one. Religion is full of them. For me is delusion, imagination and romanticism and keeps us into a "mystical haze" that personally I feel uncomfortable. If the quote is about the person of the Buddha I do not need a tale or a fantastic superhero story. Tell me about the person of the Buddha. Some people do not need tales or occultism so to expand consciousness, so to find meaning because for some, meanings, are given and not needed to be found. But again... it is about temper, education, childhood experiences etc., that shape this kind of features.
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