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**Cd9JfGHR** · 02-07-2011, 12:43 PM

I think this may be the word that represents a reason why some folks pursue Eastern types of religions.

True plogsties, but not only Eastern offers escaping philosophy. There are many kind of them in the very best Western way or religious thought. IMO any mystic haze, any tale, or any mythology are delusions and wonderfull comfort zones that keeps mind away from mindfulness.

Also in anthropology we know about the line of cultural evolution from a single symbol to a metaphor going through the phases of tales, legends and mysticism. For example, the quote given by you at post # 1 is a kind of tale made of a complex system of symbols that gives a metaphor that is experienced as a mystical experience. That experience being not a direct one of reality is delusional at any sense. To develop Right View the direct experience of things as they are is a needed condition. If this condition is not there, it is not Right View but anything else.

32. Saying, "Good, friend," the bhikkhus delighted and rejoiced in the Venerable Sariputta's words. Then they asked him a further question: "But, friend, might there be another way in which a noble disciple is one of right view... and has arrived at this true Dhamma?" — "There might be, friends.

33. "When, friends, a noble disciple understands clinging, the origin of clinging, the cessation of clinging, and the way leading to the cessation of clinging, in that way he is one of right view... and has arrived at this true Dhamma.

34. "And what is clinging, what is the origin of clinging, what is the cessation of clinging, what is the way leading to the cessation of clinging? There are these four kinds of clinging: clinging to sensual pleasures, clinging to views, clinging to rituals and observances, and clinging to a doctrine of self. With the arising of craving there is the arising of clinging. With the cessation of craving there is the cessation of clinging. The way leading to the cessation of clinging is just this Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view... right concentration.

35. "When a noble disciple has thus understood clinging, the origin of clinging, the cessation of clinging, and the way leading to the cessation of clinging... he here and now makes an end of suffering. In that way too a noble disciple is one of right view... and has arrived at this true Dhamma."

Sammaditthi Sutta (MN9)

02-07-2011, 12:43 PM	#17
Cd9JfGHR Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	I think this may be the word that represents a reason why some folks pursue Eastern types of religions. True plogsties, but not only Eastern offers escaping philosophy. There are many kind of them in the very best Western way or religious thought. IMO any mystic haze, any tale, or any mythology are delusions and wonderfull comfort zones that keeps mind away from mindfulness. Also in anthropology we know about the line of cultural evolution from a single symbol to a metaphor going through the phases of tales, legends and mysticism. For example, the quote given by you at post # 1 is a kind of tale made of a complex system of symbols that gives a metaphor that is experienced as a mystical experience. That experience being not a direct one of reality is delusional at any sense. To develop Right View the direct experience of things as they are is a needed condition. If this condition is not there, it is not Right View but anything else. 32. Saying, "Good, friend," the bhikkhus delighted and rejoiced in the Venerable Sariputta's words. Then they asked him a further question: "But, friend, might there be another way in which a noble disciple is one of right view... and has arrived at this true Dhamma?" — "There might be, friends. 33. "When, friends, a noble disciple understands clinging, the origin of clinging, the cessation of clinging, and the way leading to the cessation of clinging, in that way he is one of right view... and has arrived at this true Dhamma. 34. "And what is clinging, what is the origin of clinging, what is the cessation of clinging, what is the way leading to the cessation of clinging? There are these four kinds of clinging: clinging to sensual pleasures, clinging to views, clinging to rituals and observances, and clinging to a doctrine of self. With the arising of craving there is the arising of clinging. With the cessation of craving there is the cessation of clinging. The way leading to the cessation of clinging is just this Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view... right concentration. 35. "When a noble disciple has thus understood clinging, the origin of clinging, the cessation of clinging, and the way leading to the cessation of clinging... he here and now makes an end of suffering. In that way too a noble disciple is one of right view... and has arrived at this true Dhamma." Sammaditthi Sutta (MN9)
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