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**Ornamiviant** · 01-19-2011, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Glow I hadn't realized the mundane teachings you were referring to were couched in terms of being reborn into a better life

Well mundane teachings generally reflect around rebirth and kamma to encourage people into morality don't you think. I think even the Buddha did that according to the suttas. There are people who are not interested in going forth thus they have been taught according to their beliefs and the lengths they are willing to go.

My point is that, teachers generally should reflect both teachings in their talks so that practitioners are aware what is what and choose to select what works for them rather than be deluded into something.
I think this is what you was refering to

Anuruddha, for what purpose does the Thus Gone One tell the disciples, without wasting time, before you die, be born in something higher. Stating one is born there, another there. (* 2) The Teaching’s origin is the Blessed One, its lead is from the Blessed One, and its refuge is the Blessed One. Good that the meaning occurs to the Blessed One. We, bhikkhus, hearing it from the Blessed One, will bear it in mind. Anuruddha, the Thus Gone One tells the disciples, without wasting time before you die, be born in something higher. Telling them one is born there, another there. Not to deceive people, not for prattling, and not for gain honour or fame and not thinking may the people know me thus. Yet, Anuruddha, there are sons of clansmen who are born in faith and are pleased, to hear it. Hearing it they would arouse interest and direct their minds to that and it would be for their good for a long time.

http://www.mahindarama.com/e-tipitak...kaya/mn-68.htm

01-19-2011, 06:25 PM	#34
Ornamiviant Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 594 Senior Member	Originally Posted by Glow I hadn't realized the mundane teachings you were referring to were couched in terms of being reborn into a better life Well mundane teachings generally reflect around rebirth and kamma to encourage people into morality don't you think. I think even the Buddha did that according to the suttas. There are people who are not interested in going forth thus they have been taught according to their beliefs and the lengths they are willing to go. My point is that, teachers generally should reflect both teachings in their talks so that practitioners are aware what is what and choose to select what works for them rather than be deluded into something. I think this is what you was refering to Anuruddha, for what purpose does the Thus Gone One tell the disciples, without wasting time, before you die, be born in something higher. Stating one is born there, another there. (* 2) The Teaching’s origin is the Blessed One, its lead is from the Blessed One, and its refuge is the Blessed One. Good that the meaning occurs to the Blessed One. We, bhikkhus, hearing it from the Blessed One, will bear it in mind. Anuruddha, the Thus Gone One tells the disciples, without wasting time before you die, be born in something higher. Telling them one is born there, another there. Not to deceive people, not for prattling, and not for gain honour or fame and not thinking may the people know me thus. Yet, Anuruddha, there are sons of clansmen who are born in faith and are pleased, to hear it. Hearing it they would arouse interest and direct their minds to that and it would be for their good for a long time. http://www.mahindarama.com/e-tipitak...kaya/mn-68.htm
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