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**Abaronos** · 11-11-2010, 04:22 AM

it seems the Four Noble Truths are centred on birth, aging, illness & death, both literally and as impermanence.

Yes it seems but without a literal reading and embracing in the the experience of the teaching we reach the Fourth Noble Truth which is stated in Saccavibhanga Sutta:

""What is right understanding? It is this knowledge of suffering, knowledge of the arising of suffering, knowledge of the cessation of suffering, knowledge of the path leading to the cessation of suffering — this is called right understanding."

and Right Understanding is about the poison of Ignorance...

and also in Dammacakkappavattana Sutta:

"And what is the middle way realized by the Tathagata that — producing vision, producing knowledge — leads to calm, to direct knowledge, to self-awakening, to Unbinding? Precisely this Noble Eightfold Path: right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration. This is the middle way realized by the Tathagata that — producing vision, producing knowledge — leads to calm, to direct knowledge, to self-awakening, to Unbinding."

again it speaks about Ignorance as a lack of vision and knowledge or right view...

I really think that the Four Noble Truths are about the way we exist and how that way of existence leads to dukkha. They are a complete body of understanding and they do not left anything outside... at least that is my experience with this teaching.

Now, as I know that the Four Noble Truths shown in this suttas do not quote exactly "this are the three poisons..."; I just used that quote to illustrate someting that is at the base or foundation of the Four Noble Truths: Ignorance. Along an insightfull reading of this teachings lies a teaching pointing toward an ignorant or deluded condition of mind.

Besides this two suttas, the teaching of the Four Noble Truths are spread all along the main teachings of the Sutta Pitaka; some are found in the MN, others at the SN, etc. It is needed practice and patience to develop the insight demanded by the Buddha teachings.

11-11-2010, 04:22 AM	#13
Abaronos Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 452 Senior Member	it seems the Four Noble Truths are centred on birth, aging, illness & death, both literally and as impermanence. Yes it seems but without a literal reading and embracing in the the experience of the teaching we reach the Fourth Noble Truth which is stated in Saccavibhanga Sutta: ""What is right understanding? It is this knowledge of suffering, knowledge of the arising of suffering, knowledge of the cessation of suffering, knowledge of the path leading to the cessation of suffering — this is called right understanding." and Right Understanding is about the poison of Ignorance... and also in Dammacakkappavattana Sutta: "And what is the middle way realized by the Tathagata that — producing vision, producing knowledge — leads to calm, to direct knowledge, to self-awakening, to Unbinding? Precisely this Noble Eightfold Path: right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration. This is the middle way realized by the Tathagata that — producing vision, producing knowledge — leads to calm, to direct knowledge, to self-awakening, to Unbinding." again it speaks about Ignorance as a lack of vision and knowledge or right view... I really think that the Four Noble Truths are about the way we exist and how that way of existence leads to dukkha. They are a complete body of understanding and they do not left anything outside... at least that is my experience with this teaching. Now, as I know that the Four Noble Truths shown in this suttas do not quote exactly "this are the three poisons..."; I just used that quote to illustrate someting that is at the base or foundation of the Four Noble Truths: Ignorance. Along an insightfull reading of this teachings lies a teaching pointing toward an ignorant or deluded condition of mind. Besides this two suttas, the teaching of the Four Noble Truths are spread all along the main teachings of the Sutta Pitaka; some are found in the MN, others at the SN, etc. It is needed practice and patience to develop the insight demanded by the Buddha teachings.
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