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**JulieSmithXIV** · 09-01-2010, 09:18 AM

Hmmm... I would argue that both the four truths and karma are speculative on the basis of objective truth.

Objective: "of or pertaining to something that can be known".

I can see and verify and know for myself that greed, anger, and delusion lead to suffering.

I can see and verify and know for myself that removing greed, anger, and delusion lead to the cessation of that very same suffering.

i can see and verify and know for myself that the Noble Eightfold Path as prescribed by the Buddha removes greed, anger and delusion; effecting the cessation of suffering.

QED.

Maybe I am splitting hairs here, but the only truth I can ever find is based on perspective and perception, which are subjective. Objective truth only seems to exist as much as people agree on it, which is really more of a collection of subjective truths.

Yes, and splitting epistemological hairs is not relevant to the Buddha's teachings on suffering. I can see and know suffering. I can see and know the quenching of suffering. That is enough.

The rest of you comments in that post just go further and further down that same dead end.

09-01-2010, 09:18 AM	#21
JulieSmithXIV Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 529 Senior Member	Hmmm... I would argue that both the four truths and karma are speculative on the basis of objective truth. Objective: "of or pertaining to something that can be known". I can see and verify and know for myself that greed, anger, and delusion lead to suffering. I can see and verify and know for myself that removing greed, anger, and delusion lead to the cessation of that very same suffering. i can see and verify and know for myself that the Noble Eightfold Path as prescribed by the Buddha removes greed, anger and delusion; effecting the cessation of suffering. QED. Maybe I am splitting hairs here, but the only truth I can ever find is based on perspective and perception, which are subjective. Objective truth only seems to exist as much as people agree on it, which is really more of a collection of subjective truths. Yes, and splitting epistemological hairs is not relevant to the Buddha's teachings on suffering. I can see and know suffering. I can see and know the quenching of suffering. That is enough. The rest of you comments in that post just go further and further down that same dead end.
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