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Old 05-02-2012, 12:07 PM   #23
cypedembeda

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So during the body being eaten by different animals the mind becomes lofty and noble? That sounds not at all logical to me.
hi Victor

It does not sound logical because it is imagined what is occuring to the body & mind happening at the same time. However, this is not explicit in the discourse. Consider reading the discourse 'spiritually' rather than 'materialistically'. Try to generate the liberation of mind the Buddha is promoting when speaking these words.

Regarding your appeal to logic, it seems to not be logical either because Theravadins believe rebirth occurs at the moment of death (and not when the body is being eaten by animals).

What does it even mean? Why would anybody care how noble the mind becomes while ones body is eaten by animals?No sorry I cant see it. But I am open for suggestions.
Yes. As I suggested above.

And on a second thought what about the Ghee becomming lofty and noble? What is noble about Ghee? Is it not much more logical that the Ghee which is fat will rise in the water, keeping seperate from it as the shards sink to the bottom? And that that is the meaning of the sutta to be applied also to the mind at this passage?
Imo, it is just a play on words; just a metaphor. We must bear in mind the language used by the Buddha is ancient language, which, like much language, is derived from words that originally referred to physical things. For example, I once heard 'panna' (wisdom), is derived from what was originally 'sword'.

Similarly, words such as patipatta ('path of practise') are derived from the word for "walking".

As a fellow Singalese, Deshy has mentioned the contemporary psychological meaning of visesa. But, in the Buddha's time, it seems the word could be applied in two ways, just as the word "cultivation" can be used both physically & mentally.

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