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**Bugamerka** · 08-10-2012, 04:02 AM

I don't see anything wrong with the differently translated suttas that can't be put down to an evolving English language. As for your 'rocks & solar systems' I think it means aggregates as your link actually suggests.

hi Brizzy

yes, you do not see anything wrong with your view.

the Mula Sutta explains all dhammas are rooted in chandha (zeal).

Zeal is the first of the Iddhipada. The Iddhipadda are 4 of the 37 Bodhipakkiya Dhammas, which include the 4 Iddhipada, 4 Satipatthana, 4 Right Efforts, Five Faculties, Five Powers, 7 Factors of Enlightenment and 8 Fold Path, as follows:

In this community of monks there are monks who remain devoted to the development of the four frames of reference... the four right exertions... the four bases of power... the five faculties... the five strengths... the seven factors for awakening... the noble eightfold path: such are the monks in this community of monks.

Anapanasati Sutta yet you seem to deny Buddha taught all of these 37 Bodhipakkiya Dhammas are rooted in zeal, the 1st Iddhipada, as Buddha explained:

Bhikkhus, those who have neglected the four bases for spiritual power [starting with zeal] have neglected the noble path leading to the complete destruction of suffering.

SN 51.2 There is the case where a monk develops the base of power endowed with concentration founded on chanda (zeal) & the fabrications of exertion, thinking, 'This zeal of mine will be neither overly sluggish nor overly active, neither inwardly restricted nor outwardly scattered.' He keeps perceiving what is in front & behind so that what is in front is the same as what is behind, what is behind is the same as what is in front. What is below is the same as what is above, what is above is the same as what is below. [He dwells] by night as by day, and by day as by night. By means of an awareness thus open & unhampered, he develops a brightened mind.

Iddhipada-vibhanga Sutta Furthermore, with the abandoning of pleasure & stress — as with the earlier disappearance of elation & distress — Sariputta entered & remained in the fourth jhana: purity of equanimity & mindfulness, neither-pleasure-nor-pain. Whatever qualities there are in the fourth jhana — a feeling of equanimity, neither pleasure nor pain; an unconcern due to serenity of awareness; singleness of mind, contact, feeling, perception, intention, consciousness, zeal (chanda), decision, persistence, mindfulness, equanimity, & attention — he ferreted them out one after another. Known to him they arose, known to him they remained, known to him they subsided. He discerned, 'So this is how these qualities, not having been, come into play. Having been, they vanish.' He remained unattracted & unrepelled with regard to those qualities, independent, detached, released, dissociated, with an awareness rid of barriers. He discerned that 'There is a further escape,' and pursuing it there really was for him.

MN 111

08-10-2012, 04:02 AM	#11
Bugamerka Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 400 Senior Member	I don't see anything wrong with the differently translated suttas that can't be put down to an evolving English language. As for your 'rocks & solar systems' I think it means aggregates as your link actually suggests. hi Brizzy yes, you do not see anything wrong with your view. the Mula Sutta explains all dhammas are rooted in chandha (zeal). Zeal is the first of the Iddhipada. The Iddhipadda are 4 of the 37 Bodhipakkiya Dhammas, which include the 4 Iddhipada, 4 Satipatthana, 4 Right Efforts, Five Faculties, Five Powers, 7 Factors of Enlightenment and 8 Fold Path, as follows: In this community of monks there are monks who remain devoted to the development of the four frames of reference... the four right exertions... the four bases of power... the five faculties... the five strengths... the seven factors for awakening... the noble eightfold path: such are the monks in this community of monks. Anapanasati Sutta yet you seem to deny Buddha taught all of these 37 Bodhipakkiya Dhammas are rooted in zeal, the 1st Iddhipada, as Buddha explained: Bhikkhus, those who have neglected the four bases for spiritual power [starting with zeal] have neglected the noble path leading to the complete destruction of suffering. SN 51.2 There is the case where a monk develops the base of power endowed with concentration founded on chanda (zeal) & the fabrications of exertion, thinking, 'This zeal of mine will be neither overly sluggish nor overly active, neither inwardly restricted nor outwardly scattered.' He keeps perceiving what is in front & behind so that what is in front is the same as what is behind, what is behind is the same as what is in front. What is below is the same as what is above, what is above is the same as what is below. [He dwells] by night as by day, and by day as by night. By means of an awareness thus open & unhampered, he develops a brightened mind. Iddhipada-vibhanga Sutta Furthermore, with the abandoning of pleasure & stress — as with the earlier disappearance of elation & distress — Sariputta entered & remained in the fourth jhana: purity of equanimity & mindfulness, neither-pleasure-nor-pain. Whatever qualities there are in the fourth jhana — a feeling of equanimity, neither pleasure nor pain; an unconcern due to serenity of awareness; singleness of mind, contact, feeling, perception, intention, consciousness, zeal (chanda), decision, persistence, mindfulness, equanimity, & attention — he ferreted them out one after another. Known to him they arose, known to him they remained, known to him they subsided. He discerned, 'So this is how these qualities, not having been, come into play. Having been, they vanish.' He remained unattracted & unrepelled with regard to those qualities, independent, detached, released, dissociated, with an awareness rid of barriers. He discerned that 'There is a further escape,' and pursuing it there really was for him. MN 111
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