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**DJElizardo** · 06-12-2012, 11:16 AM

Troy, have you tried talking to an experienced meditator offline?

I haven't experienced these deep absorptions myself but according to what I have read, this statement from Leigh Brasington seems somewhat credible:

According to Ajhan Brahmn, the development from the 5th jhana to the 6th is a natural shift of perception as absorption deepens.

I am not sure what you mean by “oneness with all consciousness”. What is all consciousness anyway?

Hi Deshy,

I respect Leigh Brasington's opinions. Leigh has written that "The Base of Infinite Consciousness has been mistaken for achieving oneness with all consciousness". I think the term "oneness with all consciousness" entered the vocabulary of the 60's counter culture with the return of those who had gone on spiritual quests to India. I agree with you that it is a fairly non-descript and ambiguous term. I prefer to say "the perception of interconnectedness with all".

Dean Hayson describes the case where "The ego, the image of individual identity, dissolves away as our consciousness merges with all other things. The reality of interdependence, that there is no separation between things, that “all is connected”, is experienced."

I have had this experience and wonder whether it equates to the 6th Jhana ? Leigh says it is not but I am wondering what other people think ?

All this reminds me of the joke about the Dalai Lama and the hot dog vendor. The vendor asks what he wants and the Dalai Lama says "make me one with everything".

Regards,

Troy

06-12-2012, 11:16 AM	#9
DJElizardo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 456 Senior Member	Troy, have you tried talking to an experienced meditator offline? I haven't experienced these deep absorptions myself but according to what I have read, this statement from Leigh Brasington seems somewhat credible: According to Ajhan Brahmn, the development from the 5th jhana to the 6th is a natural shift of perception as absorption deepens. I am not sure what you mean by “oneness with all consciousness”. What is all consciousness anyway? Hi Deshy, I respect Leigh Brasington's opinions. Leigh has written that "The Base of Infinite Consciousness has been mistaken for achieving oneness with all consciousness". I think the term "oneness with all consciousness" entered the vocabulary of the 60's counter culture with the return of those who had gone on spiritual quests to India. I agree with you that it is a fairly non-descript and ambiguous term. I prefer to say "the perception of interconnectedness with all". Dean Hayson describes the case where "The ego, the image of individual identity, dissolves away as our consciousness merges with all other things. The reality of interdependence, that there is no separation between things, that “all is connected”, is experienced." I have had this experience and wonder whether it equates to the 6th Jhana ? Leigh says it is not but I am wondering what other people think ? All this reminds me of the joke about the Dalai Lama and the hot dog vendor. The vendor asks what he wants and the Dalai Lama says "make me one with everything". Regards, Troy
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