[flanna.kersting]

i've read somewhere (can't recall) that nirodha samapatti (ninth jhana) can be experienced with access concentration and that the jhanas are not entirely necessary for this to occur.

this is the first time i have read this, that 9th can occur without 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th & 8th

when the body, by nature, defecates by going to the toilet, the purpose of this is to evacuate the bowels rather than cling to the feeling of pleasure that often arises when evacuating the bowels

similarly, jhanas naturally happen when the mind is in a purifying process. jhanas themselves have no instrinsic purpose in dhamma practise because the intrinsic purpose of dhamma practise is letting go; the same as the purpose of going to the toilet is letting go.

each time the mind clings to an experience, seeking to 'self-affirm' from it, this defeats the purpose of dhamma practise

i believe the first time one experiences nirodha samapatti it may be sudden and last but a few mind moments, i read that this is called GLIMPSING nibbana

Nibbana is the end of greed, hatred & delusion rather than the end of perception & feeling. for the fully enlightened, Nibbana is experienced in all circumstances, be it in meditation, in nirodha samapatti, out of nirodha samapatti, walking, talking, eating, going to toilet

when the mind starts again and the senses come back on-line this person is sotapanna (the lowest degree of saints) 3 fetters have been extinguished identity view, doubt, clinging to rites and rituals.

it is not like this in reality or in the scriptures. Mahasi Sayadaw disciples can have the above view but this has not basis in the scriptures or real experience. in real experience, the sotapanna has constant meditative insight into the 4NTs and the 3Cs

does this agree with anything you may have read previously

sure. Jason C posted such beliefs on this forum & I have listened to Mahasi Sayadaw disciples speak this way. it is obvious they are all similarly brainwashed & speaking in a superstitious manner from blind faith

any mind that clings to experience & ignores Buddha is unenlightened. Buddha taught:

He perceives the dimension of neither-perception-nor-non-perception as the dimension of neither-perception-nor-non-perception. Perceiving the dimension of neither-perception-nor-non-perception as the dimension of neither-perception-nor-non-perception, he conceives things about the dimension of neither-perception-nor-non-perception, he conceives things in the dimension of neither-perception-nor-non-perception, he conceives things coming out of the dimension of neither-perception-nor-non-perception, he conceives the dimension of neither-perception-nor-non-perception as 'mine', he delights in the dimension of neither-perception-nor-non-perception. Why is that? Because he has not comprehended it, I tell you.

MN 1