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**paralelogram** · 08-05-2012, 12:20 AM

Naturally, such stream entry was unrelated to nirodha samapatti or hallucinations of believing one has experienced nirodha samapatti when one has not.

Actually, I will be surprised if a teacher even talks about nirodha samapatti. Most meditation masters I have referred to don't talk about anything more than the jhanas. The only person I remember so far who refers to it is AB but I don't think he gives it any importance but merely mentions it for completeness.

Even if you take commentaries, there are a lot of disputes as to what nirodha samapatti is. Some say the citta completely stops while others say bhavanga exists in this state. The former seems more possible according to suttas though.

Either way, I don't think many of the commentaries are based on actual experiences of nirodha samapatti but merely logical inferences.

08-05-2012, 12:20 AM	#18
paralelogram Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 524 Senior Member	Naturally, such stream entry was unrelated to nirodha samapatti or hallucinations of believing one has experienced nirodha samapatti when one has not. Actually, I will be surprised if a teacher even talks about nirodha samapatti. Most meditation masters I have referred to don't talk about anything more than the jhanas. The only person I remember so far who refers to it is AB but I don't think he gives it any importance but merely mentions it for completeness. Even if you take commentaries, there are a lot of disputes as to what nirodha samapatti is. Some say the citta completely stops while others say bhavanga exists in this state. The former seems more possible according to suttas though. Either way, I don't think many of the commentaries are based on actual experiences of nirodha samapatti but merely logical inferences.
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