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**Saqwnht** · 06-26-2012, 08:05 PM

nirodha-samāpatti | non-arising attainment / appeasement attainment

saññā-vedayita-nirodha | perception-feeling non-arising / perception-feeling appeasement

These two terms are equated, and follow the last formless attainment in the Suttas. This is why non-arising feels like a good fit to me, since it has wide application in the Pali compounds where it is found. 'Appeasement' can also work, as the examples above show, but appeasement seems to suggest a quiet remainder, while non-arising evokes an utter lack, which seems more appropriate in these formless contexts.

It's definitely a subtle matter; I suggest we try to leave the word untranslated wherever we find it, which may support discussion, unlike some of Element's antics.

06-26-2012, 08:05 PM	#19
Saqwnht Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 482 Senior Member	nirodha-samāpatti \| non-arising attainment / appeasement attainment saññā-vedayita-nirodha \| perception-feeling non-arising / perception-feeling appeasement These two terms are equated, and follow the last formless attainment in the Suttas. This is why non-arising feels like a good fit to me, since it has wide application in the Pali compounds where it is found. 'Appeasement' can also work, as the examples above show, but appeasement seems to suggest a quiet remainder, while non-arising evokes an utter lack, which seems more appropriate in these formless contexts. It's definitely a subtle matter; I suggest we try to leave the word untranslated wherever we find it, which may support discussion, unlike some of Element's antics.
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