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**Ijkavylo** · 06-26-2012, 08:28 PM

nirodha-samāpatti | non-arising attainment / appeasement attainment

saññā-vedayita-nirodha | perception-feeling non-arising / perception-feeling appeasement

although a liberated (buddha) mind can enter into this state, this is a samadhi state & not intrinsically a state of liberation. it is a conditioned/fabricated state, as follows:

One discerns that 'If I were to direct equanimity as pure & bright as this towards the dimension of the infinitude of space and to develop the mind along those lines, that would be fabricated. One discerns that 'If I were to direct equanimity as pure and bright as this towards the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness... the dimension of nothingness... the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception and to develop the mind along those lines, that would be fabricated.'

One neither fabricates nor mentally fashions for the sake of becoming or un-becoming. This being the case, one is not sustained by anything in the world (does not cling to anything in the world). Unsustained, one is not agitated. Unagitated, one is totally unbound right within. One discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'

MN 140 as was correctly pointed out, without any need of support , the experience of 'non-arising' of consciousness, etc, cannot be experienced in the liberated mind, i.e., always

"Then, having known thus, having seen thus, do you dwell touching with your body the peaceful emancipations, the formless states beyond form [the formless jhanas]?"

"No, friend."

"So just now, friends, didn't you make that declaration without having attained any of these Dhammas?"

"We're released through discernment (wisdom), friend Susima."

Susima Sutta

06-26-2012, 08:28 PM	#21
Ijkavylo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 496 Senior Member	nirodha-samāpatti \| non-arising attainment / appeasement attainment saññā-vedayita-nirodha \| perception-feeling non-arising / perception-feeling appeasement although a liberated (buddha) mind can enter into this state, this is a samadhi state & not intrinsically a state of liberation. it is a conditioned/fabricated state, as follows: One discerns that 'If I were to direct equanimity as pure & bright as this towards the dimension of the infinitude of space and to develop the mind along those lines, that would be fabricated. One discerns that 'If I were to direct equanimity as pure and bright as this towards the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness... the dimension of nothingness... the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception and to develop the mind along those lines, that would be fabricated.' One neither fabricates nor mentally fashions for the sake of becoming or un-becoming. This being the case, one is not sustained by anything in the world (does not cling to anything in the world). Unsustained, one is not agitated. Unagitated, one is totally unbound right within. One discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.' MN 140 as was correctly pointed out, without any need of support , the experience of 'non-arising' of consciousness, etc, cannot be experienced in the liberated mind, i.e., always "Then, having known thus, having seen thus, do you dwell touching with your body the peaceful emancipations, the formless states beyond form [the formless jhanas]?" "No, friend." "So just now, friends, didn't you make that declaration without having attained any of these Dhammas?" "We're released through discernment (wisdom), friend Susima." Susima Sutta
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