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**Muhabsssa** · 06-26-2012, 08:38 PM

That is a very good point too. Wherever nirodha is used to mean "an utter lack of" the word appeasement can get misunderstood.

Originally Posted by daverupa

'Appeasement' can also work, as the examples above show, but appeasement seems to suggest a quiet remainder, while non-arising evokes an utter lack, which seems more appropriate in these formless contexts. what do "formless contexts" have do do with liberation & nirodha?

the suttas have explained the formless contexts are not states of liberation; instead, they are conditioned states

One discerns that 'If I were to direct equanimity as pure & bright as this towards the dimension of the infinitude of space and to develop the mind along those lines, that would be fabricated. One discerns that 'If I were to direct equanimity as pure and bright as this towards the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness... the dimension of nothingness... the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception and to develop the mind along those lines, that would be fabricated.'

One neither fabricates nor mentally fashions for the sake of becoming or un-becoming. This being the case, one is not sustained by anything in the world (does not cling to anything in the world). Unsustained, one is not agitated. Unagitated, one is totally unbound right within. One discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'

MN 140

06-26-2012, 08:38 PM	#25
Muhabsssa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 577 Senior Member	That is a very good point too. Wherever nirodha is used to mean "an utter lack of" the word appeasement can get misunderstood. Originally Posted by daverupa 'Appeasement' can also work, as the examples above show, but appeasement seems to suggest a quiet remainder, while non-arising evokes an utter lack, which seems more appropriate in these formless contexts. what do "formless contexts" have do do with liberation & nirodha? the suttas have explained the formless contexts are not states of liberation; instead, they are conditioned states One discerns that 'If I were to direct equanimity as pure & bright as this towards the dimension of the infinitude of space and to develop the mind along those lines, that would be fabricated. One discerns that 'If I were to direct equanimity as pure and bright as this towards the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness... the dimension of nothingness... the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception and to develop the mind along those lines, that would be fabricated.' One neither fabricates nor mentally fashions for the sake of becoming or un-becoming. This being the case, one is not sustained by anything in the world (does not cling to anything in the world). Unsustained, one is not agitated. Unagitated, one is totally unbound right within. One discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.' MN 140
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