[Madjostok]

yes....i have read one single Abhidhamma quote from one of Payutto's books

my sincere view is the current scholarly trend exhibited by monks such as Sujato and Alayano is unprofitable

both make extensive recourse to the Chinese Agamas, which the thread you highlighted shows make little sense

the Chinese Agamas are basically rubbish, such as the First Sermon Agama, which does not even explain what suffering is, what its cause is, what the path is, etc

what use is a supposed sermon on the 4 Noble Truths that offers no practical detail?

i am sorry to give my harsh opinion but this kind of speculative scholarship, imo, is pointless, to say the least

for example, regardless of the authenticity of MN 117, it is one of the best suttas in the Nikayas from a practical point of view

the pursuit of debunking suttas to suit one's idiosyncratic point of view is an unprofitable endeavour

with metta