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**fedordzen** · 05-28-2012, 07:11 PM

I think the fact that the Buddha himself tried all the different methods available during his time, then he realized that it does not lead to "Freedom" or "the truth" is very significant.

it is not significant at all. buddha discovered a path that was unknown, which the wise have followed for 2,500 years now. lets face the facts. Buddha, whilst human, was super freak human. but we expect to find the path to dukkha nirodha without buddha?

We have been seeing reality and dealing with others through ideas (through our subjective filters), but if we want to see things as they are without distortion by our minds, we need to free our mind from all knowledge accumulated in our memories. unrelated to anything; just rhetoric; just parrotting KM

What i am trying to say is that no one can show us the truth or make us, its the only thing that you have to do for your ownself. What the Buddha can help us with is to show us the plastic (which is the so called knowledge/ideas including his own teachings). I think the path should begin with freedom because we cant start our search for freedom with another bondage contradiction. buddha explained what freedom is, so the mind engages the mind in that freedom. but buddha explained it to us (and much more)

The eight fold path is information/knowledge that once i read it becomes stored in my memory which becomes a part of the self!! You might argue that its the law of nature...etc but this also will become knowledge and a part of my ego! part of the self!!

the eightfold path instructs not-self. the 8FP works as follows:

(1) understanding 'selfing' creates suffering
(2) intention to abandon the cause of suffering, namely, 'selfing'
(3) effort (an act of mental will; not self will) abandoning 'selfing'
(4) mindfulness, maintaining the mind free from 'selfing'
(5) concentration, the mind with one object, i.e., no 'selfing'

The eight fold path is information/knowledge that once the brain & eyes read is stored in memory which is a part of the mind

I was referring to freedom from cause and effect. The title of this thread implies that freedom can be caused, and i dont think i agree with that. If something is caused then we are still in the same chain/vicious cycle. non-sense. the universe is replete with causes & conditions. buddha only taught the causes of suffering need be abandoned, i.e., 'ego' & 'selfing'

regards

05-28-2012, 07:11 PM	#25
fedordzen Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 406 Senior Member	I think the fact that the Buddha himself tried all the different methods available during his time, then he realized that it does not lead to "Freedom" or "the truth" is very significant. it is not significant at all. buddha discovered a path that was unknown, which the wise have followed for 2,500 years now. lets face the facts. Buddha, whilst human, was super freak human. but we expect to find the path to dukkha nirodha without buddha? We have been seeing reality and dealing with others through ideas (through our subjective filters), but if we want to see things as they are without distortion by our minds, we need to free our mind from all knowledge accumulated in our memories. unrelated to anything; just rhetoric; just parrotting KM What i am trying to say is that no one can show us the truth or make us, its the only thing that you have to do for your ownself. What the Buddha can help us with is to show us the plastic (which is the so called knowledge/ideas including his own teachings). I think the path should begin with freedom because we cant start our search for freedom with another bondage contradiction. buddha explained what freedom is, so the mind engages the mind in that freedom. but buddha explained it to us (and much more) The eight fold path is information/knowledge that once i read it becomes stored in my memory which becomes a part of the self!! You might argue that its the law of nature...etc but this also will become knowledge and a part of my ego! part of the self!! the eightfold path instructs not-self. the 8FP works as follows: (1) understanding 'selfing' creates suffering (2) intention to abandon the cause of suffering, namely, 'selfing' (3) effort (an act of mental will; not self will) abandoning 'selfing' (4) mindfulness, maintaining the mind free from 'selfing' (5) concentration, the mind with one object, i.e., no 'selfing' The eight fold path is information/knowledge that once the brain & eyes read is stored in memory which is a part of the mind I was referring to freedom from cause and effect. The title of this thread implies that freedom can be caused, and i dont think i agree with that. If something is caused then we are still in the same chain/vicious cycle. non-sense. the universe is replete with causes & conditions. buddha only taught the causes of suffering need be abandoned, i.e., 'ego' & 'selfing' regards
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