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**GutleNus** · 04-30-2012, 10:32 AM

Hi everyone,

The Buddha did mention that "Here unconditioned consciousness ceases to exist" (See Anguttara & Digha Nikayas, I believe).

A particularly old debate is "Gradual vs. Sudden" enlightenment, which of course, really is theoretical in once sense because of the actual need for practice. Please don't misunderstand me to think that my definition of practice means "blood, sweat & tears" as it does not.

Krishnamurti was keen to describe "practice" as something one did without force and without a fixed point, something that I all to often see in reading Theravada works from various authors, not the Nikayas themselves. Interesting point!

Pre-Nibbanic states are not new to "Buddhism" as the Buddhas' teachers were not Buddhists and from my research, the Buddha took up an Upanishadic stance in accepting them as teachers and in doing pranayama or as the Digha Nikaya states "experiencing violent winds when stopping the in/out breaths out of the mouth, mouth & nose, and mouth/nose/ears and mouth/nose/ears/closing the eyes"

Comments?
Thank you,
Stefos

04-30-2012, 10:32 AM	#6
GutleNus Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	Hi everyone, The Buddha did mention that "Here unconditioned consciousness ceases to exist" (See Anguttara & Digha Nikayas, I believe). A particularly old debate is "Gradual vs. Sudden" enlightenment, which of course, really is theoretical in once sense because of the actual need for practice. Please don't misunderstand me to think that my definition of practice means "blood, sweat & tears" as it does not. Krishnamurti was keen to describe "practice" as something one did without force and without a fixed point, something that I all to often see in reading Theravada works from various authors, not the Nikayas themselves. Interesting point! Pre-Nibbanic states are not new to "Buddhism" as the Buddhas' teachers were not Buddhists and from my research, the Buddha took up an Upanishadic stance in accepting them as teachers and in doing pranayama or as the Digha Nikaya states "experiencing violent winds when stopping the in/out breaths out of the mouth, mouth & nose, and mouth/nose/ears and mouth/nose/ears/closing the eyes" Comments? Thank you, Stefos
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