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**toyboy** · 04-30-2012, 10:41 AM

hi Stefos

the "Unborn" is certainly one definition of Nibbana but, more simply, the Nikayas also define Nibbana as the cessation of greed, hatred & delusion. therefore, the mind without greed, hatred & delusion experiences the unborn (of non-becoming) and remaining unconditioned by greed, hatred & delusion.

the more simple definition of Nibbana may make the more esoteric definition of Nibbana more clear

'Vipassana' means 'clearly seeing' the impermanence (rise & fall; appearance & disappearance), unsatisfactoriness & selflessness of phenomema. Jhana (mental stillness, purity & clarity) enables excellent vipassana to occur because if the mind cannot remain constantly clear, then constantly seeing the impermanence of mental objects cannot occur.

Jhana also causes certain mental objects (such as feelings) to manifest in way that is more pronounced than normal and therefore allows the true nature of these mental objects (such as feelings) to be seen more clearly.

the 4 brahmaviharas simply (but indirectly) help develop jhana because ill-will/hatred/anger/etc are obstacles to jhana. but to develop jhana, the mind must practise more than just the 4 brahmaviharas. the mind must also practise letting go

kind regards

Hi Element,

I believe that Nibbana is also a Transcendental experience also and not only a "release" from self sir/ma'am/miss.

I don't perceive that the Buddha taught the 8 fold path, jhanas, metta-bhavana, etc. only to say "Well, Nibbana is a psycho-physiological state and when you die, "you're" dead, in truth." Please understand that I am not stating that YOU are saying this! I'm only rhetorically speaking, as it were.

The Buddha entered into ParaNibbana at his death. Not only this but the iddhis caused by the Buddha speak of a transcendental background & source as well.

What do you think?
Thank you,
Stefos

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toyboy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 374 Senior Member	hi Stefos the "Unborn" is certainly one definition of Nibbana but, more simply, the Nikayas also define Nibbana as the cessation of greed, hatred & delusion. therefore, the mind without greed, hatred & delusion experiences the unborn (of non-becoming) and remaining unconditioned by greed, hatred & delusion. the more simple definition of Nibbana may make the more esoteric definition of Nibbana more clear 'Vipassana' means 'clearly seeing' the impermanence (rise & fall; appearance & disappearance), unsatisfactoriness & selflessness of phenomema. Jhana (mental stillness, purity & clarity) enables excellent vipassana to occur because if the mind cannot remain constantly clear, then constantly seeing the impermanence of mental objects cannot occur. Jhana also causes certain mental objects (such as feelings) to manifest in way that is more pronounced than normal and therefore allows the true nature of these mental objects (such as feelings) to be seen more clearly. the 4 brahmaviharas simply (but indirectly) help develop jhana because ill-will/hatred/anger/etc are obstacles to jhana. but to develop jhana, the mind must practise more than just the 4 brahmaviharas. the mind must also practise letting go kind regards Hi Element, I believe that Nibbana is also a Transcendental experience also and not only a "release" from self sir/ma'am/miss. I don't perceive that the Buddha taught the 8 fold path, jhanas, metta-bhavana, etc. only to say "Well, Nibbana is a psycho-physiological state and when you die, "you're" dead, in truth." Please understand that I am not stating that YOU are saying this! I'm only rhetorically speaking, as it were. The Buddha entered into ParaNibbana at his death. Not only this but the iddhis caused by the Buddha speak of a transcendental background & source as well. What do you think? Thank you, Stefos
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