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**houkbsdov** · 05-01-2012, 07:39 AM

Sure.

Buddha rejected the pranayama that bore him no result. Buddha realised the violent pranayama he formerly practised was a fruitless path. Buddha explained in his 1st sermon:

Buddha did not teach of "sudden" full enlightenment. Full enlightenment is gradual. But the 1st stage of initial enlightenment, i.e., stream-entry, is certainly sudden. But sudden enlightenment is not full enlightenment. Buddha taught four stages of enlightenment.

Kind regards

Hi again Element,

A BIG disclaimer first: This is a sincere question coming from a sincere heart. I don't desire to argue. PLEASE understand this. Thank you.

I'm curious to know something sir, miss, ma'am:

Do you believe that Theravada is the "original" teaching of the Buddha?

My research has shown that there were other "schools" who held different Abhidhammas who were Pre-Mahayana.
Ch'an, Dzogchen, Mahayana, etc. reflect another aspect of Buddhist school.

It seems as if sometimes modern Buddhists say "This is it" and "This is not it" yet I see no research done. Honestly.

The Buddha, to me, taught ONE specific goal and ONE specific body of teachings not a syncretistic system of "buddhism" such as what my friend told me which is practiced in some places in Thailand nor the, in my opinion, the Pure Land cult. Indonesia also is notorious for syncretism as well.

Ultimately, I want to understand what the Buddha originally taught and see how changes happened.

Thank you,
Stefos

05-01-2012, 07:39 AM	#18
houkbsdov Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 709 Senior Member	Sure. Buddha rejected the pranayama that bore him no result. Buddha realised the violent pranayama he formerly practised was a fruitless path. Buddha explained in his 1st sermon: Buddha did not teach of "sudden" full enlightenment. Full enlightenment is gradual. But the 1st stage of initial enlightenment, i.e., stream-entry, is certainly sudden. But sudden enlightenment is not full enlightenment. Buddha taught four stages of enlightenment. Kind regards Hi again Element, A BIG disclaimer first: This is a sincere question coming from a sincere heart. I don't desire to argue. PLEASE understand this. Thank you. I'm curious to know something sir, miss, ma'am: Do you believe that Theravada is the "original" teaching of the Buddha? My research has shown that there were other "schools" who held different Abhidhammas who were Pre-Mahayana. Ch'an, Dzogchen, Mahayana, etc. reflect another aspect of Buddhist school. It seems as if sometimes modern Buddhists say "This is it" and "This is not it" yet I see no research done. Honestly. The Buddha, to me, taught ONE specific goal and ONE specific body of teachings not a syncretistic system of "buddhism" such as what my friend told me which is practiced in some places in Thailand nor the, in my opinion, the Pure Land cult. Indonesia also is notorious for syncretism as well. Ultimately, I want to understand what the Buddha originally taught and see how changes happened. Thank you, Stefos
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