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**bloriMal** · 05-01-2012, 06:30 PM

I do not believe that the mind converges w/the in & out breath...I am not saying that anapanasati is separate from awareness. The issue is, is that the focus is understanding and not "Gee, that REALLY was a long breath"...

Having said that, Krishnamurti's Choiceless Awareness and Dzogchen's Naked Awareness is the same thing actually. I believe that what the Buddha taught was also Choiceless Awareness but people have taken it to be a "method" such as many erroneously stating that "concentration is meditation" when it is not, Not according to Buddhadhamma or Krishnamurti or Dzogchen or Vedanta, for that matter.

Do you believe that Theravada is the "original" teaching of the Buddha? My research has shown that there were other "schools" who held different Abhidhammas who were Pre-Mahayana. Ch'an, Dzogchen, Mahayana, etc. reflect another aspect of Buddhist school.

thank you, Stefos

my reply: the mode of reasoning above seems rather problematic, because, as characterised by the content, it fragments

i have sensed criticism of the Theravada school and i have myself have criticised the Theravada school on the same grounds

the Theravada school has created "techniques" due to not understanding natural manifestation

but the "natural awareness" schools can equally be criticised because they have not taken natural awareness far enough

let us face the facts. KM largely taught a form of introspection for individuals to learn to be aware of "themselves"; to be free of social conditioning & to cultivate internal emotional intelligence. thus, KM recommended choiceless awareness so an individual does not suppress, condemn or indulge but, instead, learns. but what is beyond this level of inquiry, KM rare spoken in detail about

when the mind is naturally silent, with no thoughts, for the whole of the meditation, a natural manifestation occurs. what else is jhana but the internal manifestation of letting go & Anapanasati.

Anapanasati and jhana are not things fragmented from the body of the Buddha's teachings, in the way some & the Theravada often explain. instead, Anapanasati is the direct natural result of abandoning craving & attachment, as prescribed in the Four Noble Truths

the Dhamma states:

Friends, just as the footprints of all legged animals are encompassed by the footprint of the elephant, and the elephant's footprint is reckoned the foremost among them in terms of size; in the same way, all skillful qualities are gathered under the four noble truths. Under which four? Under the noble truth of stress, under the noble truth of the origination of stress, under the noble truth of the cessation of stress, and under the noble truth of the path of practice leading to the cessation of stress.

Maha-hatthipadopama Sutta to end, there is little benefit in dismissing a road not travelled

warm regards

05-01-2012, 06:30 PM	#24
bloriMal Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 416 Senior Member	I do not believe that the mind converges w/the in & out breath...I am not saying that anapanasati is separate from awareness. The issue is, is that the focus is understanding and not "Gee, that REALLY was a long breath"... Having said that, Krishnamurti's Choiceless Awareness and Dzogchen's Naked Awareness is the same thing actually. I believe that what the Buddha taught was also Choiceless Awareness but people have taken it to be a "method" such as many erroneously stating that "concentration is meditation" when it is not, Not according to Buddhadhamma or Krishnamurti or Dzogchen or Vedanta, for that matter. Do you believe that Theravada is the "original" teaching of the Buddha? My research has shown that there were other "schools" who held different Abhidhammas who were Pre-Mahayana. Ch'an, Dzogchen, Mahayana, etc. reflect another aspect of Buddhist school. thank you, Stefos my reply: the mode of reasoning above seems rather problematic, because, as characterised by the content, it fragments i have sensed criticism of the Theravada school and i have myself have criticised the Theravada school on the same grounds the Theravada school has created "techniques" due to not understanding natural manifestation but the "natural awareness" schools can equally be criticised because they have not taken natural awareness far enough let us face the facts. KM largely taught a form of introspection for individuals to learn to be aware of "themselves"; to be free of social conditioning & to cultivate internal emotional intelligence. thus, KM recommended choiceless awareness so an individual does not suppress, condemn or indulge but, instead, learns. but what is beyond this level of inquiry, KM rare spoken in detail about when the mind is naturally silent, with no thoughts, for the whole of the meditation, a natural manifestation occurs. what else is jhana but the internal manifestation of letting go & Anapanasati. Anapanasati and jhana are not things fragmented from the body of the Buddha's teachings, in the way some & the Theravada often explain. instead, Anapanasati is the direct natural result of abandoning craving & attachment, as prescribed in the Four Noble Truths the Dhamma states: Friends, just as the footprints of all legged animals are encompassed by the footprint of the elephant, and the elephant's footprint is reckoned the foremost among them in terms of size; in the same way, all skillful qualities are gathered under the four noble truths. Under which four? Under the noble truth of stress, under the noble truth of the origination of stress, under the noble truth of the cessation of stress, and under the noble truth of the path of practice leading to the cessation of stress. Maha-hatthipadopama Sutta to end, there is little benefit in dismissing a road not travelled warm regards
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