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**Twendypreency** · 04-22-2012, 11:50 AM

Hi Element,

Let's see if I am understanding this:

First three quoted suttas - SN 47.42; SN 35.23; MN 118 - seem to me that are about how clinging into the dhammas or clinging into the "ALL" (S 35.23) can happen where manasikara is of the sort of remaining focused.

Then we have the 4th Establishment of Mindfulness which is observing the dhammas a kind of taking distance from them - as being mindful - so to observe or see or cognize the fading away of lust, suffering and defilements.

I don't know if manasikara is used for Anapanasati in the case of the 4th Establishment of Mindfulness.

Also what puzzles me is that manasikara is to be ceased so to cease dhammas as it is taught at SN 47.42.

Also too, again, mindfulness is used in AN 10.61 where 'wise attention' is its nutriment. Isn't this 'wise attention' a case of 'wise manasikara'?

Help is needed

04-22-2012, 11:50 AM	#18
Twendypreency Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 471 Senior Member	Hi Element, Let's see if I am understanding this: First three quoted suttas - SN 47.42; SN 35.23; MN 118 - seem to me that are about how clinging into the dhammas or clinging into the "ALL" (S 35.23) can happen where manasikara is of the sort of remaining focused. Then we have the 4th Establishment of Mindfulness which is observing the dhammas a kind of taking distance from them - as being mindful - so to observe or see or cognize the fading away of lust, suffering and defilements. I don't know if manasikara is used for Anapanasati in the case of the 4th Establishment of Mindfulness. Also what puzzles me is that manasikara is to be ceased so to cease dhammas as it is taught at SN 47.42. Also too, again, mindfulness is used in AN 10.61 where 'wise attention' is its nutriment. Isn't this 'wise attention' a case of 'wise manasikara'? Help is needed
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