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**Cyncceply** · 01-01-2012, 06:29 AM

At least for the lower enlightened beings (eg. once-returner), in jhana, the mind is predominantly manifesting bliss thus it obviously has not reached the state of complete dispassion & pure clarity

Although insight (vipassana) obviously occurs in the jhanas (and before the jhanas), such insight is not sufficient to end the asavas (mental effluents), despite a sutta or two that may state otherwise

Thus a bifurcation occurs due to the predominance of samatha (tranquility) and the inadequecy of vipassana (insight)

Kind regards

01-01-2012, 06:29 AM	#2
Cyncceply Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 495 Senior Member	At least for the lower enlightened beings (eg. once-returner), in jhana, the mind is predominantly manifesting bliss thus it obviously has not reached the state of complete dispassion & pure clarity Although insight (vipassana) obviously occurs in the jhanas (and before the jhanas), such insight is not sufficient to end the asavas (mental effluents), despite a sutta or two that may state otherwise Thus a bifurcation occurs due to the predominance of samatha (tranquility) and the inadequecy of vipassana (insight) Kind regards
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