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Originally Posted by Element: as an aside, i struggle to follow Ñāṇananda here

for me, the word 'dhamma' here does not mean 'things' but 'practises', such as in the phrase: Actually you are referring here to my comments on Ñāṇananda’s in Concepts which was cited in quotations, but no matter. Ñāṇananda does disagree with the commentators on the meaning of the Kiṃmūlaka Suttas’, specifically with reference to ‘skilful dhammā’ where he mentions this as a misunderstanding of context with chanda. Sabbe dhammā as a range of potentiality at nāma-rūpa makes better sense.

My comment you quoted is really in disagreement with some of Ñāṇananda’s idea as I recall it. But what is helpful for me with his examination of the Kiṃmūlaka Suttas’ (Mind-Stilled II ?) is the DO in brief at the convergence of vedanā. This gives us a generic template of mind-moment dynamics; however we may interpret the rest of the Jacobs Ladder.