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**11Pecepebra** · 09-19-2011, 11:02 AM

Thanks Kaarine

10. Herein, this is the elucidation of the terms that are not clear. Nutriment (ahara) is a condition (paccaya). For a condition nourishes its own fruit, therefore it is called nutriment.

The above does not really reasonate with me, i.e., ahara synonomous with paccaya. Most commonly (not always), 'paccaya' is used as a condition for suffering, such as avijjāpaccayāsaṅkhārā (ignorance conditions fabricators).

Or alternatively, "come to be" is born, reproduced; this is a term for those who have destroyed the cankers (Arahants), who are reckoned thus: "They have come to be only, but they will not come to be again."

Again, the above does not resonate with me. Arahants have destroyed "being". For me, "being" is an asava (mental formation) rather than the existence of an organism. For example, MN 121 clearly states the arahant has ended the asava of being.

For the maintenance (thitiya); for the purpose of maintaining. For the support (anuggahaya): for the purpose of supporting, for the purpose of helping.

Interesting. The translation of words here may be helpful.

cattārome āhārā bhūtānaṃ vā sattānaṃ ṭhitiyā sambhavesīnaṃ vā anuggahāya

there are these four kinds of nutriment for the maintenance of beings that have already come to be and for the assistance (help) of those about to come to be [Bhikkhu Bodhi translation]

anuggaṇha (adj.) [cp. anuggaha] compassionate, ready to help PvA 42 ˚sīla

thus, each day, monks chant about how their alms food maintains & supports their spiritual life

Paṭisaṅkhā yoniso piṇḍapātaṃ paṭisevāmi,

Considering it thoughtfully, I use alms food,

Neva davāya na madāya na maṇḍanāya na vibhūsanāya,

Not playfully, nor for intoxication, nor for putting on bulk, nor for beautification,

Yāvadeva imassa kāyassa ṭhitiyā yāpanāya vihiṃsuparatiyā brahma-cariyānuggahāya,

But simply for the survival & continuance of this body, for ending its afflictions, for the support of the holy life,

Iti purāṇañca vedanaṃ paṭihaṅkhāmi navañca vedanaṃ na uppādessāmi,

(Thinking,) Thus will I destroy old feelings (of hunger) and not create new feelings (from overeating).

Yātrā ca me bhavissati anavajjatā ca phāsu-vihāro cāti.

I will maintain myself, be blameless & live in comfort.

Pali Chanting

09-19-2011, 11:02 AM	#10
11Pecepebra Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 412 Senior Member	Thanks Kaarine 10. Herein, this is the elucidation of the terms that are not clear. Nutriment (ahara) is a condition (paccaya). For a condition nourishes its own fruit, therefore it is called nutriment. The above does not really reasonate with me, i.e., ahara synonomous with paccaya. Most commonly (not always), 'paccaya' is used as a condition for suffering, such as avijjāpaccayāsaṅkhārā (ignorance conditions fabricators). Or alternatively, "come to be" is born, reproduced; this is a term for those who have destroyed the cankers (Arahants), who are reckoned thus: "They have come to be only, but they will not come to be again." Again, the above does not resonate with me. Arahants have destroyed "being". For me, "being" is an asava (mental formation) rather than the existence of an organism. For example, MN 121 clearly states the arahant has ended the asava of being. For the maintenance (thitiya); for the purpose of maintaining. For the support (anuggahaya): for the purpose of supporting, for the purpose of helping. Interesting. The translation of words here may be helpful. cattārome āhārā bhūtānaṃ vā sattānaṃ ṭhitiyā sambhavesīnaṃ vā anuggahāya there are these four kinds of nutriment for the maintenance of beings that have already come to be and for the assistance (help) of those about to come to be [Bhikkhu Bodhi translation] anuggaṇha (adj.) [cp. anuggaha] compassionate, ready to help PvA 42 ˚sīla thus, each day, monks chant about how their alms food maintains & supports their spiritual life Paṭisaṅkhā yoniso piṇḍapātaṃ paṭisevāmi, Considering it thoughtfully, I use alms food, Neva davāya na madāya na maṇḍanāya na vibhūsanāya, Not playfully, nor for intoxication, nor for putting on bulk, nor for beautification, Yāvadeva imassa kāyassa ṭhitiyā yāpanāya vihiṃsuparatiyā brahma-cariyānuggahāya, But simply for the survival & continuance of this body, for ending its afflictions, for the support of the holy life, Iti purāṇañca vedanaṃ paṭihaṅkhāmi navañca vedanaṃ na uppādessāmi, (Thinking,) Thus will I destroy old feelings (of hunger) and not create new feelings (from overeating). Yātrā ca me bhavissati anavajjatā ca phāsu-vihāro cāti. I will maintain myself, be blameless & live in comfort. Pali Chanting
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