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**AlexanderDrew** · 09-20-2011, 07:00 AM

Hi Element,

But then, maybe, this is not a problem, especially if we understand the term 'cessation' (nirodha) as 'quenching' or the 'extinguishing' of craving.

Yes.

When craving arises, originates or generates, there must also be the arising, origination or generation of nutriment.

But when craving ceases, what ceases is craving 'mixed' with nutriment, just as the cessation (nirodha) of consciousness means the cessation of craving mixed with consciousness
...or, even, being there the nutriment, the awareness of craving toward it, being mindful about what the "nutriment" is nourishing, how nutriment nourishes craving helps to the ceasing

Just as consciousness can be purified, possibly nutriment can also become pure or be purified Or at least it loses its craving nourishing property.

Thus, when the word 'nirodha' is understood as 'quenching' or 'extinguishing' craving (i.e., the fires of greed, hatred & delusion), nutriment may become are more neutral term

SN 22.48 states there are two kinds of five aggregates, namely, five aggregates with clinging and five aggregates without clinging

so, possibly, nutriment is the same, that is, there is nutriment with craving and nutriment without craving

Yes, agree.

At post # 2, the quote from the Putamansa Sutta, speaks about nutriments that nourishes beings seeking birth. So if one is to seek birth, one is to need more. When one is in the need of more, craves. So nurtiments are because they nourish craving because the unaware mind. In some way, one goes to the nourishment source to seek the nutriment that feeds craving. Here, the issue, IMO, is craving, again.

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AlexanderDrew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 609 Senior Member	Hi Element, But then, maybe, this is not a problem, especially if we understand the term 'cessation' (nirodha) as 'quenching' or the 'extinguishing' of craving. Yes. When craving arises, originates or generates, there must also be the arising, origination or generation of nutriment. But when craving ceases, what ceases is craving 'mixed' with nutriment, just as the cessation (nirodha) of consciousness means the cessation of craving mixed with consciousness ...or, even, being there the nutriment, the awareness of craving toward it, being mindful about what the "nutriment" is nourishing, how nutriment nourishes craving helps to the ceasing Just as consciousness can be purified, possibly nutriment can also become pure or be purified Or at least it loses its craving nourishing property. Thus, when the word 'nirodha' is understood as 'quenching' or 'extinguishing' craving (i.e., the fires of greed, hatred & delusion), nutriment may become are more neutral term SN 22.48 states there are two kinds of five aggregates, namely, five aggregates with clinging and five aggregates without clinging so, possibly, nutriment is the same, that is, there is nutriment with craving and nutriment without craving Yes, agree. At post # 2, the quote from the Putamansa Sutta, speaks about nutriments that nourishes beings seeking birth. So if one is to seek birth, one is to need more. When one is in the need of more, craves. So nurtiments are because they nourish craving because the unaware mind. In some way, one goes to the nourishment source to seek the nutriment that feeds craving. Here, the issue, IMO, is craving, again.
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