[VYholden]

hi KA


for example, the breathing suddenly becomes very relaxed and then, at the exact same time, you feel your body becoming very relaxed

this is experience "all bodies" or "both bodies"

Yes, this is the experience felt with breathing.

as for the preliminary steps of Anapanasati, they are:

1. experiencing when the breathing is long
2. experiencing when the breathing is short
3. experiencing the cause & effect relationship between the body & breathing ("all bodies")
4. experiencing the calming of the breathing

kind regards

Thanks Element,