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Old 11-11-2011, 11:24 AM   #13
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Indeed, we thoroughly disagree.
thanks Dave

it appears the Pali & your good self are in disagreement

all the best

Step four before step three;
I thought: 'I recall once, when my father the Sakyan was working, and I was sitting in the cool shade of a rose-apple tree, then — quite secluded from sensuality, secluded from unskillful mental qualities — I entered & remained in the first jhana: rapture & pleasure born from seclusion, accompanied by directed thought & evaluation'.

MN 36
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the ossification of samatha-vipassana as practices instead of qualities of mind;

ossification
a. The process of becoming set in a rigidly conventional pattern, as of behavior, habits, or beliefs.
b. Rigid, unimaginative convention
(3) He trains himself: thoroughly experiencing all bodies I shall breathe in. He trains himself: thoroughly experiencing all bodies I shall breathe out.

(4) He trains himself: calming the body-conditioner I shall breathe in. He trains himself: calming the body-conditioner I shall breathe out

(7) He trains himself: thoroughly experiencing the mind-conditioner I shall breathe in. He trains himself: thoroughly experiencing the mind-conditioner I shall breathe out.

(8) He trains himself: calming the mind-conditioner I shall breathe in. He trains himself: calming the mind-conditioner I shall breathe out.

(9) He trains himself: thoroughly experiencing the mind I shall breathe in. He trains himself: thoroughly experiencing the mind I shall breathe out.

MN 118

experiencing = vipassana
calming = samatha
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the use of the term "spiritual";
it gives vision, it gives knowledge, and it leads to peace, to direct acquaintance, to discovery, to nibbana.

SN 56.11
Bhikkhus, it is for the unshakeable release of mind that is the essence and end of the holy [spiritual] life.

MN 29
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the foundationless assertion that "he trains" has deep meaning;
sabbakāyapaṭisaṃvedī assasissāmī’ti sikkhati

He trains himself: thoroughly experiencing all bodies

MN 118
Sikkhatīti kho, bhikkhu, tasmā sekhoti vuccati. Kiñca sikkhati? Adhisīlampi sikkhati, adhicittampi sikkhati, adhipaññampi sikkhati.

There are these three trainings. Which three trainings? The training in heightened virtue, the training in heightened mind, the training in heightened discernment.

Sikkha Sutta: Trainings
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the inappropriate superposition of aspects of Tetrad IV onto Tetrad I;
There is no meditative concentration for him who lacks insight and no insight for him who lacks meditative concentration.

Dhammapada
[And] for him these two qualities occur in tandem: tranquillity & insight.

MN 149
In this way he remains focused internally on the body in & of itself or externally on the body in & of itself or both internally & externally on the body in & of itself. Or he remains focused on the phenomenon of origination with regard to the body, on the phenomenon of passing away with regard to the body or on the phenomenon of origination & passing away with regard to the body. Or his mindfulness that 'There is a body [and not a 'self']' is maintained to the extent of knowledge & remembrance. And he remains independent, unsustained by (not clinging to) anything in the world. This is how a monk remains focused on the body in & of itself.

Satipatthana Sutta
And what is the faculty of concentration? There is the case where a monk, a disciple of the noble ones, making it his object to let go(vosagga), attains concentration, attains singleness of mind.

And what is the faculty of discernment? There is the case where a monk, a disciple of the noble ones, is discerning, endowed with discernment of arising & passing away — noble, penetrating, leading to the right ending of stress. He discerns, as it has come to be: 'This is stress... This is the origination of stress... This is the cessation of stress... This is the path of practice leading to the cessation of stress.'

SN 48.10
Cessation of suffering, as a noble truth, is this: It is remainderless fading and ceasing, giving up, relinquishing, letting go (vossaga) and rejecting, of that same craving.

SN 56.11
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the idea that step four's "calming the bodily fabrication [kaya sankhara]" merely refers to calming the breath;
But what is the bodily fabricator (kaya sankhara)?

In-&-out breaths are the bodily fabricator (kaya sankhara).

MN 44
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