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**ClaudeMarkus** · 10-31-2011, 10:56 AM

hi KA

i have also come to the conclusion that mano as a sense organ may also be the dhamma chakku (the spiritual eye, the wisdom eye or the 'third eye')

thus, when the Buddha used the sense sphere triad of (1) mano; (2) dhamma & (3) mano-vinnana, mano may also be the "sense organ" that sees dhamma or truth

although mano as the "dhamma eye" does not make sense in respect to the arising of suffering, as i previously speculated, this possibly just means the "dhamma eye" is underdeveloped when suffering arises

with metta

element

Hi element,

From your last post (17), I speculate this: mano is the faculty that develops through meditation and contemplation, completely different from citta. I undersand citta as tha faculty of mind that craves and grasp and cling while mano simply can't.

It is not the nature of mano to crave. When we understand disenchantment is mano but not fully developed. Fully developed, is the hallmark of an Arhat.

That is why an Arhat just can't be enchanted.

When mano fully developed then sammaditthi occurs. If there isn't this faculty, then Right View will not be possible.

About the spiritual eye, seems as the highest faculty of mind: the mind that do not craves any more.

"He grows disenchanted with the intellect, disenchanted with ideas, disenchanted with consciousness at the intellect, disenchanted with contact at the intellect, disenchanted with feeling, disenchanted with craving. Disenchanted, he becomes dispassionate. Through dispassion, he is fully released. With full release, there is the knowledge, 'Fully released.' He discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'"

Chachakka Sutta
Another question here: Is dhamme different from dhamma

10-31-2011, 10:56 AM	#19
ClaudeMarkus Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	hi KA i have also come to the conclusion that mano as a sense organ may also be the dhamma chakku (the spiritual eye, the wisdom eye or the 'third eye') thus, when the Buddha used the sense sphere triad of (1) mano; (2) dhamma & (3) mano-vinnana, mano may also be the "sense organ" that sees dhamma or truth although mano as the "dhamma eye" does not make sense in respect to the arising of suffering, as i previously speculated, this possibly just means the "dhamma eye" is underdeveloped when suffering arises with metta element Hi element, From your last post (17), I speculate this: mano is the faculty that develops through meditation and contemplation, completely different from citta. I undersand citta as tha faculty of mind that craves and grasp and cling while mano simply can't. It is not the nature of mano to crave. When we understand disenchantment is mano but not fully developed. Fully developed, is the hallmark of an Arhat. That is why an Arhat just can't be enchanted. When mano fully developed then sammaditthi occurs. If there isn't this faculty, then Right View will not be possible. About the spiritual eye, seems as the highest faculty of mind: the mind that do not craves any more. "He grows disenchanted with the intellect, disenchanted with ideas, disenchanted with consciousness at the intellect, disenchanted with contact at the intellect, disenchanted with feeling, disenchanted with craving. Disenchanted, he becomes dispassionate. Through dispassion, he is fully released. With full release, there is the knowledge, 'Fully released.' He discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'" Chachakka Sutta Another question here: Is dhamme different from dhamma
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