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**Adimondin** · 10-28-2011, 06:36 AM

So, when the Buddha teaches "the cessation of contact is the cessation of feeling" he teaches not to cling when eye-form-consciousness meet? Not to cling is to cease "phasso"?

hi KA

the pali word being translated as 'cessation' is 'nirodha'. the word 'nirodha' is best translated as 'quenching' or 'extinguishing', just as the flames of a fire 'extinguish'

the most serious error in modern Pali translation is the use of the word 'cessation' for 'nirodha'. this is a fatal error, totally distorting the teachings

in his 3rd sermon, the Buddha described how consciousness, the sense spheres & contact are "on fire", with the fire of lust, the fire of hatred & the fire of delusion

so 'nirodha' is when the fires of greed, hatred & delusion are extinguished. that is all

the meaning & experience of 'nirodha' is found in the 1st sermon

Nirodha of suffering, as a noble truth, is this: It is remainderless fading and ceasing, giving up, relinquishing, letting go and rejecting of that same craving

Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta when contact 'quenches' (cools down) or is 'extinguished', this means the fires of greed, hatred & delusion are extinguished from contact

this is the same as when a house fire is extinguished. if the fire truck arrives on time, the fire is extinguished but the house remains

the house does not 'cease'

similarly, contact and feelings do not 'cease'

the suttas make it clear an arahant does not cease to experience contact and feelings

with metta

element

What, bhikkhus, is the Nibbana-element with residue left? Here a bhikkhu is an arahant, one whose taints are destroyed, the holy life fulfilled, who has done what had to be done, laid down the burden, attained the goal, destroyed the fetters of being, completely released through final knowledge. However, his five sense faculties remain unimpaired, by which he still experiences what is agreeable and disagreeable and feels pleasure and pain. It is the extinction of attachment, hate and delusion in him that is called the Nibbana-element with residue left.

Iti 2.17

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Adimondin Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 503 Senior Member	So, when the Buddha teaches "the cessation of contact is the cessation of feeling" he teaches not to cling when eye-form-consciousness meet? Not to cling is to cease "phasso"? hi KA the pali word being translated as 'cessation' is 'nirodha'. the word 'nirodha' is best translated as 'quenching' or 'extinguishing', just as the flames of a fire 'extinguish' the most serious error in modern Pali translation is the use of the word 'cessation' for 'nirodha'. this is a fatal error, totally distorting the teachings in his 3rd sermon, the Buddha described how consciousness, the sense spheres & contact are "on fire", with the fire of lust, the fire of hatred & the fire of delusion so 'nirodha' is when the fires of greed, hatred & delusion are extinguished. that is all the meaning & experience of 'nirodha' is found in the 1st sermon Nirodha of suffering, as a noble truth, is this: It is remainderless fading and ceasing, giving up, relinquishing, letting go and rejecting of that same craving Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta when contact 'quenches' (cools down) or is 'extinguished', this means the fires of greed, hatred & delusion are extinguished from contact this is the same as when a house fire is extinguished. if the fire truck arrives on time, the fire is extinguished but the house remains the house does not 'cease' similarly, contact and feelings do not 'cease' the suttas make it clear an arahant does not cease to experience contact and feelings with metta element What, bhikkhus, is the Nibbana-element with residue left? Here a bhikkhu is an arahant, one whose taints are destroyed, the holy life fulfilled, who has done what had to be done, laid down the burden, attained the goal, destroyed the fetters of being, completely released through final knowledge. However, his five sense faculties remain unimpaired, by which he still experiences what is agreeable and disagreeable and feels pleasure and pain. It is the extinction of attachment, hate and delusion in him that is called the Nibbana-element with residue left. Iti 2.17
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