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**sandyphoebetvmaa** · 08-21-2011, 05:55 AM

Moreover, the treatment of the path-factors from a supramundane viewpoint in the Mahācattārīsaka-sutta qualifies the mundane wholesome path-factors as “with influx” and as “ripening in attachment”. Yet, the definitions given in the Mahācattārīsaka-sutta for the path-factors of mundane right intention, right speech, right action and right livelihood recur in other discourses as part of the standard definition of the noble eightfold path that leads to the eradication of dukkha. Thus, what according to other discourses leads to the eradication of dukkha, in the Mahācattārīsaka-sutta is presented as something that ripens in attachment and is associated with the influxes.

My view is what is written above is a misunderstanding, in respect to the noble path.

The Nikayas unambiguously state only the realisation of impermanence, unsatisfactoriness & not-self, resulting in the elimination of craving, attachment and self-views, leads to the eradication of dukkha.

The four path factors quoted above in themselves are incapable of leading to the eradication of dukkha.

For example, the standard definition of Right Intention/Resolve does not include the intention to abandon the conceit "I". Therefore, right intention in itself cannot serve as a basis for developing concentration, let alone the eradication of dukkha.

"And what is right resolve? Being resolved on renunciation, on freedom from ill will, on harmlessness: This is called right resolve.

Magga-vibhanga Sutta: An Analysis of the Path "Develop the meditation of good will. For when you are developing the meditation of good will, ill-will will be abandoned.

"Develop the meditation of compassion. For when you are developing the meditation of compassion, cruelty will be abandoned.

"Develop the meditation of appreciation. For when you are developing the meditation of appreciation, resentment will be abandoned.

"Develop the meditation of equanimity. For when you are developing the meditation of equanimity, irritation will be abandoned.

"Develop the meditation of the unattractive. For when you are developing the meditation of the unattractive, passion will be abandoned.

"Develop the meditation of the perception of inconstancy. For when you are developing the meditation of the perception of inconstancy, the conceit 'I am' will be abandoned.

MN 62

08-21-2011, 05:55 AM	#3
sandyphoebetvmaa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 599 Senior Member	Moreover, the treatment of the path-factors from a supramundane viewpoint in the Mahācattārīsaka-sutta qualifies the mundane wholesome path-factors as “with influx” and as “ripening in attachment”. Yet, the definitions given in the Mahācattārīsaka-sutta for the path-factors of mundane right intention, right speech, right action and right livelihood recur in other discourses as part of the standard definition of the noble eightfold path that leads to the eradication of dukkha. Thus, what according to other discourses leads to the eradication of dukkha, in the Mahācattārīsaka-sutta is presented as something that ripens in attachment and is associated with the influxes. My view is what is written above is a misunderstanding, in respect to the noble path. The Nikayas unambiguously state only the realisation of impermanence, unsatisfactoriness & not-self, resulting in the elimination of craving, attachment and self-views, leads to the eradication of dukkha. The four path factors quoted above in themselves are incapable of leading to the eradication of dukkha. For example, the standard definition of Right Intention/Resolve does not include the intention to abandon the conceit "I". Therefore, right intention in itself cannot serve as a basis for developing concentration, let alone the eradication of dukkha. "And what is right resolve? Being resolved on renunciation, on freedom from ill will, on harmlessness: This is called right resolve. Magga-vibhanga Sutta: An Analysis of the Path "Develop the meditation of good will. For when you are developing the meditation of good will, ill-will will be abandoned. "Develop the meditation of compassion. For when you are developing the meditation of compassion, cruelty will be abandoned. "Develop the meditation of appreciation. For when you are developing the meditation of appreciation, resentment will be abandoned. "Develop the meditation of equanimity. For when you are developing the meditation of equanimity, irritation will be abandoned. "Develop the meditation of the unattractive. For when you are developing the meditation of the unattractive, passion will be abandoned. "Develop the meditation of the perception of inconstancy. For when you are developing the meditation of the perception of inconstancy, the conceit 'I am' will be abandoned. MN 62
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