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**DiatryDal** · 06-30-2011, 10:51 PM

Lazy, I think that when it is told "person" and "individuality" as told by Element and Stuka, we are speaking about Dhamma lenguage and such is about Aggregates and nothing more than just that.

To see a person or an individual under another scope, it is called 'sakkaya ditthi' meaning:

How does this "individuality" differ from a "mind-stream"? Both terms refer to conventional reality; however "mind-stream" suggests flux and impermanence, whereas the concept of an individual has connotations of substantially and self.

This "mind stream" can fit the 6 to 10 personality believes if not the rest of them. The Aggregates are not streams of anything. Trying to find streams at the aggregates... aggregates defilements to the already deluded mind...

SN 27.2: Rupa Sutta — Forms
At Savatthi. "Monks, any desire-passion with regard to forms is a defilement of the mind. Any desire-passion with regard to sounds... aromas... flavors... tactile sensations... ideas is a defilement of the mind. When, with regard to these six bases, the defilements of awareness are abandoned, then the mind is inclined to renunciation. The mind fostered by renunciation feels malleable for the direct knowing of those qualities worth realizing."

SN 27.3: Viññana Sutta — Consciousness
At Savatthi. "Monks, any desire-passion with regard to eye-consciousness is a defilement of the mind. Any desire-passion with regard to ear-consciousness... nose-consciousness... tongue-consciousness... body-consciousness... intellect-consciousness is a defilement of the mind. When, with regard to these six bases, the defilements of awareness are abandoned, then the mind is inclined to renunciation. The mind fostered by renunciation feels malleable for the direct knowing of those qualities worth realizing."

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SN 27.10: Khandha Sutta — Aggregates
At Savatthi. "Monks, any desire-passion with regard to form is a defilement of the mind. Any desire-passion with regard to feeling... perception... fabrications... consciousness is a defilement of the mind. When, with regard to these five bases, the defilements of awareness are abandoned, then the mind is inclined to renunciation. The mind fostered by renunciation feels malleable for the direct knowing of those qualities worth realizing."

Defilements

06-30-2011, 10:51 PM	#21
DiatryDal Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 386 Senior Member	Lazy, I think that when it is told "person" and "individuality" as told by Element and Stuka, we are speaking about Dhamma lenguage and such is about Aggregates and nothing more than just that. To see a person or an individual under another scope, it is called 'sakkaya ditthi' meaning: How does this "individuality" differ from a "mind-stream"? Both terms refer to conventional reality; however "mind-stream" suggests flux and impermanence, whereas the concept of an individual has connotations of substantially and self. This "mind stream" can fit the 6 to 10 personality believes if not the rest of them. The Aggregates are not streams of anything. Trying to find streams at the aggregates... aggregates defilements to the already deluded mind... SN 27.2: Rupa Sutta — Forms At Savatthi. "Monks, any desire-passion with regard to forms is a defilement of the mind. Any desire-passion with regard to sounds... aromas... flavors... tactile sensations... ideas is a defilement of the mind. When, with regard to these six bases, the defilements of awareness are abandoned, then the mind is inclined to renunciation. The mind fostered by renunciation feels malleable for the direct knowing of those qualities worth realizing." SN 27.3: Viññana Sutta — Consciousness At Savatthi. "Monks, any desire-passion with regard to eye-consciousness is a defilement of the mind. Any desire-passion with regard to ear-consciousness... nose-consciousness... tongue-consciousness... body-consciousness... intellect-consciousness is a defilement of the mind. When, with regard to these six bases, the defilements of awareness are abandoned, then the mind is inclined to renunciation. The mind fostered by renunciation feels malleable for the direct knowing of those qualities worth realizing." [...] SN 27.10: Khandha Sutta — Aggregates At Savatthi. "Monks, any desire-passion with regard to form is a defilement of the mind. Any desire-passion with regard to feeling... perception... fabrications... consciousness is a defilement of the mind. When, with regard to these five bases, the defilements of awareness are abandoned, then the mind is inclined to renunciation. The mind fostered by renunciation feels malleable for the direct knowing of those qualities worth realizing." Defilements
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