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**ZIZITOPER** · 07-01-2011, 09:42 AM

My impression is the notion of kamma is instrinsically connected to self-view. When there is "doing" (kamma) without self-view then that is not really kamma, in the traditional meaning of the word

But then some will argue: "Can't we murder with such an attitude?" The answer here is obviously "no" because murder can only occur due to self-view. How could a mind free of self-view murder? That is impossible. Murder can only occur due to some kind of self-cherishing/self-attachment.

Imo, the quenching of kamma is "doing without a doer" or "non-doing". "Doing" but "not-doing".

Buddhadasa had his own Zen phrase: "All day long I do nothing". This did not literally mean doing nothing. It meant doing as though doing nothing. Doing without attachment. It meant doing without the doer. Something like that.

07-01-2011, 09:42 AM	#23
ZIZITOPER Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 513 Senior Member	My impression is the notion of kamma is instrinsically connected to self-view. When there is "doing" (kamma) without self-view then that is not really kamma, in the traditional meaning of the word But then some will argue: "Can't we murder with such an attitude?" The answer here is obviously "no" because murder can only occur due to self-view. How could a mind free of self-view murder? That is impossible. Murder can only occur due to some kind of self-cherishing/self-attachment. Imo, the quenching of kamma is "doing without a doer" or "non-doing". "Doing" but "not-doing". Buddhadasa had his own Zen phrase: "All day long I do nothing". This did not literally mean doing nothing. It meant doing as though doing nothing. Doing without attachment. It meant doing without the doer. Something like that.
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