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**xyupi** · 06-23-2011, 04:22 PM

All of these polarities (self/other, past/future, existence/nonexistence, here/there) all are part of the geometry and orientation deriving from ignorance.

Thanks Jechbi

However, the impression that has given rise to my inquiry is the Buddha seems to not affirm the substantialness of either [perceptions of] existence or nonexistence. Yet he also seems to be saying existence & nonexistence do not necessarily arise from wrong view. He says:
"when one sees the origination of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'non-existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one. When one sees the cessation of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one" In other words, to me (above) the Buddha seems to say right view sees both the existence & non-existence of things (akin to seeing impermanence or arising/passing, which is enlightened view). Yet later the Buddha mentions Dependent Origination, the arising of which is obviously based in ignorance.

As I said in my original post, the reading of this sutta has not always been straightforward to me. It could be the translation or language used but it seems like there a two different themes in it rather than one.

Regards

06-23-2011, 04:22 PM	#3
xyupi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 541 Senior Member	All of these polarities (self/other, past/future, existence/nonexistence, here/there) all are part of the geometry and orientation deriving from ignorance. Thanks Jechbi However, the impression that has given rise to my inquiry is the Buddha seems to not affirm the substantialness of either [perceptions of] existence or nonexistence. Yet he also seems to be saying existence & nonexistence do not necessarily arise from wrong view. He says: "when one sees the origination of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'non-existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one. When one sees the cessation of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one" In other words, to me (above) the Buddha seems to say right view sees both the existence & non-existence of things (akin to seeing impermanence or arising/passing, which is enlightened view). Yet later the Buddha mentions Dependent Origination, the arising of which is obviously based in ignorance. As I said in my original post, the reading of this sutta has not always been straightforward to me. It could be the translation or language used but it seems like there a two different themes in it rather than one. Regards
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