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Old 06-23-2011, 08:07 PM   #5
WaydayTew

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Thanks Jechbi & SriV

OK, that could be it. The Buddha is simply saying in right view, the views of existence & non-existence do not occur, that is:

'non-existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one

'existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one

so you are saying when 'non-existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one, this does not necessarily give rise to the view of 'existence' (albeit however temporary)

similary, when 'existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one, this does not necessarily give rise to the view of 'non-existence' (albeit however temporary)



looking at the Pali, the terms are natthitā and atthitā, which may possibly refer to certain philosophical doctines commonly held during the Buddha's time

so i was probably reading too much into it. although there is arising (samudhaya), this is not "existence" (atthitā). although there is cessation (nirodha), this is not "non-existence" (natthitā). such a subtle distinction is made in the sutta below:

regards



I have heard that on one occasion Ven. Sariputta was staying near Savatthi at Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's monastery. Now, at that time this evil supposition had arisen to Ven. Yamaka: "As I understand the Teaching explained by the Blessed One, a monk with no more (mental) effluents, on the break-up of the body, is annihilated, perishes & does not exist after death."

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"Then, friend Yamaka, how would you answer if you are thus asked: A monk, a worthy one, with no more mental effluents: what is he on the break-up of the body, after death?"

"Thus asked, I would answer, 'Form is inconstant... Feeling... Perception... Fabrications... Consciousness is inconstant. That which is inconstant is dukkha. That which is dukkha has ceased and gone to its end."

"Very good, my friend Yamaka. Very good.

Yamaka Sutta
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