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**halfstreet** · 06-23-2011, 09:25 PM

Hi Element,

"By & large, Kaccayana, this world is in bondage to attachments, clingings (sustenances), & biases. Seems to me that "world" is meant in the Sutta as worldly things, mundaneness, worldliness.

But when one sees the origination of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'non-existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one. When one sees the cessation of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one. When Right View is developed one is not caught neither at selfhood nor not selfhood of things. One is not caught in either entanglements, in either struggle. Its at peace with things. No need to investigate more its dhamma.

Also Soto schools are about this development through Zazen when there is investigation; "Shi-Kan-Ta-Za" is the Za-Zen of the enlightened. Negemisho is the way of knowing dhammas as exposed by the Buddha in the given Sutta:

But one such as this does not get involved with or cling to these attachments, clingings, fixations of awareness, biases, or obsessions; nor is he resolved on 'my self.' He has no uncertainty or doubt that just stress, when arising, is arising; stress, when passing away, is passing away. In this, his knowledge is independent of others. It's to this extent, Kaccayana, that there is right view. This is Silent Learning; the way of Soto tradition. It is not about not discussing but about a quite mind not entangled with this or that; with such and such; with self and not self.

IMO seems that the sutta is about this.

06-23-2011, 09:25 PM	#6
halfstreet Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 498 Senior Member	Hi Element, "By & large, Kaccayana, this world is in bondage to attachments, clingings (sustenances), & biases. Seems to me that "world" is meant in the Sutta as worldly things, mundaneness, worldliness. But when one sees the origination of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'non-existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one. When one sees the cessation of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one. When Right View is developed one is not caught neither at selfhood nor not selfhood of things. One is not caught in either entanglements, in either struggle. Its at peace with things. No need to investigate more its dhamma. Also Soto schools are about this development through Zazen when there is investigation; "Shi-Kan-Ta-Za" is the Za-Zen of the enlightened. Negemisho is the way of knowing dhammas as exposed by the Buddha in the given Sutta: But one such as this does not get involved with or cling to these attachments, clingings, fixations of awareness, biases, or obsessions; nor is he resolved on 'my self.' He has no uncertainty or doubt that just stress, when arising, is arising; stress, when passing away, is passing away. In this, his knowledge is independent of others. It's to this extent, Kaccayana, that there is right view. This is Silent Learning; the way of Soto tradition. It is not about not discussing but about a quite mind not entangled with this or that; with such and such; with self and not self. IMO seems that the sutta is about this.
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