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**Rffkwfct** · 06-23-2011, 11:39 PM

so you are saying when 'non-existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one, this does not necessarily give rise to the view of 'existence' (albeit however temporary)

similary, when 'existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one, this does not necessarily give rise to the view of 'non-existence' (albeit however temporary)

That's how I read it element. They don't negate or limit each other - neither occurs plain & simple.

looking at the Pali, the terms are natthitā and atthitā, which may possibly refer to certain philosophical doctines commonly held during the Buddha's time Very much so. Even nowadays we can see how much steam this topic generates. People get stuck into the 'something must exist / doesn't exist / spaghetti monster' ontology. Like a car trapped in mud revving into forward then reverse and going nowhere fast.

so i was probably reading too much into it Always really worth chewing this stuff over though.

06-23-2011, 11:39 PM	#8
Rffkwfct Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 446 Senior Member	so you are saying when 'non-existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one, this does not necessarily give rise to the view of 'existence' (albeit however temporary) similary, when 'existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one, this does not necessarily give rise to the view of 'non-existence' (albeit however temporary) That's how I read it element. They don't negate or limit each other - neither occurs plain & simple. looking at the Pali, the terms are natthitā and atthitā, which may possibly refer to certain philosophical doctines commonly held during the Buddha's time Very much so. Even nowadays we can see how much steam this topic generates. People get stuck into the 'something must exist / doesn't exist / spaghetti monster' ontology. Like a car trapped in mud revving into forward then reverse and going nowhere fast. so i was probably reading too much into it Always really worth chewing this stuff over though.
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