hi Andy this is the first time i have read Thanissaro address Dependent Origination in such a manner. i really liked it, especially the dinner party scenario. i really liked the way Thanissaro numbered the conditions of Dependent Origination and then used them in his example, such as 2c, 4a, etc. this is very skilful means and a very useful illustration for the reader's reflection. quite excellent does the reader think each allocation of each numbering was accurate? i thought this may make a good discussion thread regards