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**wasssallx** · 06-07-2011, 04:57 PM

It just occurred to me, is the Nibbhana sutta merely stating the highest arupa jhana absorption. Is this necessarily enlightenment? Thoughts?

Hi Deshy,
I'd say it's beyond the highest arupa jhana, as it states "nor the realm of Neither Perception nor Non-perception" which is the highest arupa jhana as far as I know.

It reminded me of viññanam anidassanam - the consciousness without feature mentioned here:
"'Consciousness without surface,
endless, radiant all around,
has not been experienced through the earthness of earth ... the liquidity of liquid ... the fieriness of fire ... the windiness of wind ... the allness of the all.' The notes [9] to this are interesting too.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipit....049.than.html

It reminds me of a question I posted in the Theravadan forum on E-Sangha many years ago. I asked whether highest/complete (post death) nibbana was cognised.

I was told (in no uncertain terms) that it was not.

06-07-2011, 04:57 PM	#4
wasssallx Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 415 Senior Member	It just occurred to me, is the Nibbhana sutta merely stating the highest arupa jhana absorption. Is this necessarily enlightenment? Thoughts? Hi Deshy, I'd say it's beyond the highest arupa jhana, as it states "nor the realm of Neither Perception nor Non-perception" which is the highest arupa jhana as far as I know. It reminded me of viññanam anidassanam - the consciousness without feature mentioned here: "'Consciousness without surface, endless, radiant all around, has not been experienced through the earthness of earth ... the liquidity of liquid ... the fieriness of fire ... the windiness of wind ... the allness of the all.' The notes [9] to this are interesting too. http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipit....049.than.html It reminds me of a question I posted in the Theravadan forum on E-Sangha many years ago. I asked whether highest/complete (post death) nibbana was cognised. I was told (in no uncertain terms) that it was not.
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