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**Nupbeaupeteew** · 05-30-2011, 10:43 PM

some of us admit to experiencing a "reality" in which appearances arise and exist on their own level of interaction

Hi fojiao,
Everyone does that whether they want to or not.

regardless of the fact that they are without substance. Here's the speculative bit. Even if we accept that the designation of a chariot is not found within its parts nor separate from them, what difference does that make?

Even if we conclude things are empty of inherent existence, that bit of logical footwork won't tell you anything about stress and its release. The afflictions remain untouched by anything the intellect cooks up because it tells you nothing about how the afflictions arise and how they can be subdued.

This has to be experienced directly. Expecting the discursive mind to do it is like expecting a disease to cure itself.

But, just a moment you may protest... lack of inherent existence is directly seen by the omniscient ones. Indeed it is their defining achievement. To assert else is heresy!

Well, good for them I say but how does it stand with you?

05-30-2011, 10:43 PM	#15
Nupbeaupeteew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 356 Senior Member	some of us admit to experiencing a "reality" in which appearances arise and exist on their own level of interaction Hi fojiao, Everyone does that whether they want to or not. regardless of the fact that they are without substance. Here's the speculative bit. Even if we accept that the designation of a chariot is not found within its parts nor separate from them, what difference does that make? Even if we conclude things are empty of inherent existence, that bit of logical footwork won't tell you anything about stress and its release. The afflictions remain untouched by anything the intellect cooks up because it tells you nothing about how the afflictions arise and how they can be subdued. This has to be experienced directly. Expecting the discursive mind to do it is like expecting a disease to cure itself. But, just a moment you may protest... lack of inherent existence is directly seen by the omniscient ones. Indeed it is their defining achievement. To assert else is heresy! Well, good for them I say but how does it stand with you?
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