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**sat23neus2** · 05-28-2011, 01:59 AM

Do you think self-identification arises in a new born infant? If so how? What are its verbal/mental fabricators? Does it have mental perceptions?

The Buddha didn't say we are born with ignorance. He just said that the nutriment of ignorance are the five hindrances:

A first beginning of ignorance cannot be conceived,[58] (of which it can be said), 'Before that, there was no ignorance and it came to be after that.' Though this is so, monks, yet a specific condition[59] of ignorance can be conceived. Ignorance, too, has its nutriment,[60] I declare; and it is not without a nutriment. And what is the nutriment of ignorance? 'The five hindrances,'[61] should be the answer. I doubt if self-identification arises in a new-born. It is driven by a basic survival instinct IMO just like a non-sentient organism.

05-28-2011, 01:59 AM	#32
sat23neus2 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	Do you think self-identification arises in a new born infant? If so how? What are its verbal/mental fabricators? Does it have mental perceptions? The Buddha didn't say we are born with ignorance. He just said that the nutriment of ignorance are the five hindrances: A first beginning of ignorance cannot be conceived,[58] (of which it can be said), 'Before that, there was no ignorance and it came to be after that.' Though this is so, monks, yet a specific condition[59] of ignorance can be conceived. Ignorance, too, has its nutriment,[60] I declare; and it is not without a nutriment. And what is the nutriment of ignorance? 'The five hindrances,'[61] should be the answer. I doubt if self-identification arises in a new-born. It is driven by a basic survival instinct IMO just like a non-sentient organism.
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