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**scemHeish** · 05-08-2011, 01:12 AM

Anyone else wanna chime in? =)

Hi Cloud,

When I stick my hand in the fire... just a little... I can experience pain. I am a devotee about having an experience so to learn. I have ever thought that the true way to learn is through direct experience because if it is not direct it will lead to delusion and to fabrication. This is about empirical knowledge and most of the achievements that one can have with the teachings of the Buddha, mainly the Pali Dhamma, are about direct experience. But, aren't we talking about empiricism more than Supra mundane issue?

The problems that have always been faced by empiricism is that the experience can not be given to another person. Is highly personal but that do not mean is not universal. Everybody that decides to put the hand in the fire, will experience pain. But you can not give that pain to that person just telling about pain.

The Buddha said, sensual pleasures are about gratification, danger and escape. We have to experience this when we are into a given pleasure. This is a universal experience but it has to be understood just by empirical experimentation. So I do not see where is the Supra mundane issue in this.

05-08-2011, 01:12 AM	#20
scemHeish Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 442 Senior Member	Anyone else wanna chime in? =) Hi Cloud, When I stick my hand in the fire... just a little... I can experience pain. I am a devotee about having an experience so to learn. I have ever thought that the true way to learn is through direct experience because if it is not direct it will lead to delusion and to fabrication. This is about empirical knowledge and most of the achievements that one can have with the teachings of the Buddha, mainly the Pali Dhamma, are about direct experience. But, aren't we talking about empiricism more than Supra mundane issue? The problems that have always been faced by empiricism is that the experience can not be given to another person. Is highly personal but that do not mean is not universal. Everybody that decides to put the hand in the fire, will experience pain. But you can not give that pain to that person just telling about pain. The Buddha said, sensual pleasures are about gratification, danger and escape. We have to experience this when we are into a given pleasure. This is a universal experience but it has to be understood just by empirical experimentation. So I do not see where is the Supra mundane issue in this.
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