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**feeshyLew** · 05-08-2011, 10:10 AM

I take mundane to mean anything and everything that can be taught in language. Supramundane is experiential understanding, that which is seen directly by investigation and observation, not itself based on thought.

Yes stuka, but the supramundane understanding is the result of practice, not of conceptually understanding the teachings.

Hi Cloud

Your views are Mahayana views, when you assert "supramundane is beyond language".

The 'two truths' of Mahayana do not accord with the two truths of the Pali suttas.

The Pali suttas do not use the word 'supramundane' ('lokuttara': 'transcendent') as you are.

The Pali suttas use 'lokuttara' to refer to both certain teachings as well as a state of mind.

I am inclined to agree with the views of Stuka on this subject.

With metta

Thus you should train yourselves: 'We will listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent (lokuttara), connected with emptiness — are being recited. We will lend ear, will set our hearts on knowing them, will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.' That's how you should train yourselves."

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feeshyLew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	I take mundane to mean anything and everything that can be taught in language. Supramundane is experiential understanding, that which is seen directly by investigation and observation, not itself based on thought. Yes stuka, but the supramundane understanding is the result of practice, not of conceptually understanding the teachings. Hi Cloud Your views are Mahayana views, when you assert "supramundane is beyond language". The 'two truths' of Mahayana do not accord with the two truths of the Pali suttas. The Pali suttas do not use the word 'supramundane' ('lokuttara': 'transcendent') as you are. The Pali suttas use 'lokuttara' to refer to both certain teachings as well as a state of mind. I am inclined to agree with the views of Stuka on this subject. With metta Thus you should train yourselves: 'We will listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent (lokuttara), connected with emptiness — are being recited. We will lend ear, will set our hearts on knowing them, will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.' That's how you should train yourselves." http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipit....007.than.html
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