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**Immarsecice** · 04-21-2011, 09:41 PM

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There is an interesting Sutta relating to the recognition of Insight17 in which a wanderer called Sandaka asks the Buddha if an Arahant is always aware of his Insight. The Buddha says that he is not aware at the time of arising of Insight, but only when he reviews it. This demonstrates that the nature of Insight is such that it leads one to be more fully engaged in what one does and less likely to ask oneself if one has it. One is less likely to be aware of Insight as an object or category than, perhaps, as a vision which we are living out, or even as a vision living through us!
It is also notoriously difficult to evaluate the depth and degree of Insight in either ourselves or others. Traditionally the Buddha claimed that only he was able to determine with certainty the level of an individual’s attainment. This alone should give us pause for thought. With the above in mind, do you think that one would still clearly know that they had reached stream entry?

To Upali the householder, as he was sitting right there, there arose the dustless, stainless Dhamma eye: Whatever is subject to origination is all subject to cessation. Then — having seen the Dhamma, having reached the Dhamma, known the Dhamma, gained a footing in the Dhamma, having crossed over & beyond doubt, having had no more questioning — Upali the householder gained fearlessness and was independent of others with regard to the Teacher's message.
— MN 56
Part of what makes the arising of the Dhamma eye such a powerful experience is that the realization that "Whatever is subject to origination is all subject to cessation" must follow on a glimpse of what stands in opposition to "all that is subject to origination," i.e., a glimpse of the Unconditioned — deathlessness.
[Immediately after attaining the stream] Sariputta the wanderer went to Moggallana the wanderer. Moggallana the wanderer saw him coming from afar and, on seeing him, said, "Your faculties are bright, my friend; your complexion pure & clear. Could it be that you have attained the Deathless?"
"Yes, my friend, I have..."
— Mv 1.23.5 Is was mooching around and read the above from Access to Insight, based on that, it would indicate that it's a 'yes'

Link -> http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/study/stream2.html

04-21-2011, 09:41 PM	#15
Immarsecice Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 437 Senior Member	From Page 8: There is an interesting Sutta relating to the recognition of Insight17 in which a wanderer called Sandaka asks the Buddha if an Arahant is always aware of his Insight. The Buddha says that he is not aware at the time of arising of Insight, but only when he reviews it. This demonstrates that the nature of Insight is such that it leads one to be more fully engaged in what one does and less likely to ask oneself if one has it. One is less likely to be aware of Insight as an object or category than, perhaps, as a vision which we are living out, or even as a vision living through us! It is also notoriously difficult to evaluate the depth and degree of Insight in either ourselves or others. Traditionally the Buddha claimed that only he was able to determine with certainty the level of an individual’s attainment. This alone should give us pause for thought. With the above in mind, do you think that one would still clearly know that they had reached stream entry? To Upali the householder, as he was sitting right there, there arose the dustless, stainless Dhamma eye: Whatever is subject to origination is all subject to cessation. Then — having seen the Dhamma, having reached the Dhamma, known the Dhamma, gained a footing in the Dhamma, having crossed over & beyond doubt, having had no more questioning — Upali the householder gained fearlessness and was independent of others with regard to the Teacher's message. — MN 56 Part of what makes the arising of the Dhamma eye such a powerful experience is that the realization that "Whatever is subject to origination is all subject to cessation" must follow on a glimpse of what stands in opposition to "all that is subject to origination," i.e., a glimpse of the Unconditioned — deathlessness. [Immediately after attaining the stream] Sariputta the wanderer went to Moggallana the wanderer. Moggallana the wanderer saw him coming from afar and, on seeing him, said, "Your faculties are bright, my friend; your complexion pure & clear. Could it be that you have attained the Deathless?" "Yes, my friend, I have..." — Mv 1.23.5 Is was mooching around and read the above from Access to Insight, based on that, it would indicate that it's a 'yes' Link -> http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/study/stream2.html
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