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**Anfester** · 11-20-2010, 02:22 PM

Thank you Aloka

But I am not sure it makes sense.

As I said, for me, too much is lost in language and translation.

The words of a Buddha should make sense; they should be clear, straightforward & free of patchwork (unconvoluted).

My theory is as follows:

1. The non-returner never again must return to a worldly state. The fourth jhana is the last completed step for entry into final realisation.

2. Where as the once-returner, with the five hindrances fully tranquilised and abandoned, must still develop a worldly state, namely, the fourth jhana, as the foundation for final realisation.

11-20-2010, 02:22 PM	#9
Anfester Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 532 Senior Member	Thank you Aloka But I am not sure it makes sense. As I said, for me, too much is lost in language and translation. The words of a Buddha should make sense; they should be clear, straightforward & free of patchwork (unconvoluted). My theory is as follows: 1. The non-returner never again must return to a worldly state. The fourth jhana is the last completed step for entry into final realisation. 2. Where as the once-returner, with the five hindrances fully tranquilised and abandoned, must still develop a worldly state, namely, the fourth jhana, as the foundation for final realisation.
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