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**jackie Obrian** · 10-23-2010, 12:16 AM

Two points, generally:

(1) Paticcasamuppada is akalika. This word is "non-time", usually translated as timeless (but since such a rubric would render anatta as "selfless", I use 'non-' to conserve the Pali structure in English.) Paticcasamuppada does not operate over time, but is instead characterized by non-time.

(2) Sotapanna are the first of the Noble Sangha members, and one of their qualities is seeing paticcasamuppada directly, as opposed to theoretically. It is the difference between reading about the fudoza posture, and reflecting on ones posture while sitting in fudoza. By way of contrast, one quality which is not required for sotapanna is knowledge of past abodes, or past lives. Thus, a sotapanna can see paticcasamuppada without recourse to the past.

The second point is a little obtuse, but the trend should be apparent. Nanavira offers a fuller discussion here.

10-23-2010, 12:16 AM	#7
jackie Obrian Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 554 Senior Member	Two points, generally: (1) Paticcasamuppada is akalika. This word is "non-time", usually translated as timeless (but since such a rubric would render anatta as "selfless", I use 'non-' to conserve the Pali structure in English.) Paticcasamuppada does not operate over time, but is instead characterized by non-time. (2) Sotapanna are the first of the Noble Sangha members, and one of their qualities is seeing paticcasamuppada directly, as opposed to theoretically. It is the difference between reading about the fudoza posture, and reflecting on ones posture while sitting in fudoza. By way of contrast, one quality which is not required for sotapanna is knowledge of past abodes, or past lives. Thus, a sotapanna can see paticcasamuppada without recourse to the past. The second point is a little obtuse, but the trend should be apparent. Nanavira offers a fuller discussion here.
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