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**BGThomasis** · 10-25-2010, 03:35 AM

Hi

I am inclined to agree with Snowmelt's point of view but also agree with Sobeh's point of view.

For me, the last link is suffering (sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, despair, etc,) that is inseparable from impermanent occurences (such as aging-and-death). In my opinion, for suffering to occur, I think impermanence must come into play somewhere, as described in the Nakulapita Sutta:

Ven. Sariputta said: "Now, how is one afflicted in body & afflicted in mind?

"There is the case where a person assumes form (the body) to be the self, or the self as possessing form, or form as in the self, or the self as in form. He is seized with the idea that 'I am form' or 'Form is mine.' As he is seized with these ideas, his form changes & alters, and he falls into sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress & despair over its change & alteration.

10-25-2010, 03:35 AM	#12
BGThomasis Join Date Oct 2005 Location United Kingdom Posts 420 Senior Member	Hi I am inclined to agree with Snowmelt's point of view but also agree with Sobeh's point of view. For me, the last link is suffering (sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, despair, etc,) that is inseparable from impermanent occurences (such as aging-and-death). In my opinion, for suffering to occur, I think impermanence must come into play somewhere, as described in the Nakulapita Sutta: Ven. Sariputta said: "Now, how is one afflicted in body & afflicted in mind? "There is the case where a person assumes form (the body) to be the self, or the self as possessing form, or form as in the self, or the self as in form. He is seized with the idea that 'I am form' or 'Form is mine.' As he is seized with these ideas, his form changes & alters, and he falls into sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress & despair over its change & alteration.
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